Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
twa character revealed. Glad AA vomited you out.Really?
If so, Excellent. AA scum deserve no less.
Then quit! And don't forget to tell AA that you won't be needing those pension payments, passes, or retirement health insurance.<_< -----No FM! That would have been an "Honorable end, to an Honorable Airline!" There's no "Honor" in this!!!!!!!!!
twa character revealed. Glad AA vomited you out.
Then quit! And don't forget to tell AA that you won't be needing those pension payments, passes, or retirement health insurance.
Actually, we are ALL under the AA umbrella now. I wonder if the Trans Carib, Air Cal, or RENO employees endured this constant bantering.
twa would not have "still been here" as you put it. That is just wishful thinking on your part in your attempt to make twa look a lot better than it actually was in order to justify having your twa seniority at AA. Compton publically stated that fuel prices in 2000 were bleeding twa dry; and these prices were dirt cheap when compared to the price of fuel from 2001 to the present. twa would not have survived $60-$80 a barrel oil (not even $50/ barrel), outrageously high aircraft lease rates, and the cash sucking Icahn ticket agreement. To believe otherwise is just pure fantasy on your part. If twa would have received the partial reimbursement for the nationwide grounding, it would not have made any difference because it would just have been a relatively small amount. If twa was in such great shape, then why did Air Tran run like hell the other way when they studied the idea of merging with twa? After all, route wise and fleet wise, they would have complimented each other perfectly. The reason, they did not want to infect themselves with the Icahn agreement. As for an "alliance" with Alaska and America West; alliances are not a miracle cure for financially distressed companies, just ask Varig. Even though they were in the star alliance with industry powerhouses such as Lufthansa and United it did them no good, companies have to make it on their own merits. Evidence was presented in court that twa had only a few days of cash remaining with the pending debt of $100,000,000 coming due; I suggest you read the twa bankruptcy transcripts for the facts. You make the comparison of twa to America West. This is a bogus comparison because America West did not have an Icahn ticket agreement nor did it obtain a large number of aircraft in such a short time frame at ridiculously high lease rates; these are the facts and they are indisputable.This was a thread started about the f/as. Such venomous sentiments (from both sides) are neither professional nor attractive. (and really counter productive)
FM: We would all like to go back in time and let those cards play out. Never forget that America West was in just as serious financial shape. The infusion of the Federal Funds after 9-11 help shore up that carrier and my guess is you would have seen some sort of alliance between TWA, America West, and Alaska Airlines. But, we'll never know. The one thing I will guarantee is that we would have still been here. There wouldn't have been a bogus bk designed to abrogate vendor and employee contracts. Ah, history.
ps I don't know who CapnCockroach is but I can assure you that his comments reveal NOTHING about TWA character. He/she is just one person and there are an equal number of AA employee's posting similar sentiments and I certainly don't view their posts as reflective of AA's character. Actually, we are ALL under the AA umbrella now. I wonder if the Trans Carib, Air Cal, or RENO employees endured this constant bantering.
Legally and financially it was NOT a merger. AA purchased twa's assets in a bankruptcy liquidation; Compton reiterated this to the twa employees when the transaction was announced. It is similar to when AA purchased EAL's Latin American routes in EALs bankruptcy; although the EAL people had to apply and start over in terms of PAY AND SENIORITY. AA aqcuired twa's STL hub in BK just as they acquired EAL's MIA hub in BK; so EAL people were in a similar situation to the twa employees but the only thing the EAL people got was an interview instead of full seniority at their hubs and raises to industry leading pay.I flew TWA for many years and for many times.
While during the worst times of the airline, ALL employees cared about the passenger. I think that this shows from the J.D. Powers awards that TWA recieved.
TWA is gone. I wish they were not.
As a passenger, it is amazing the ill will that is shown from AA employees to TWA employees.
Like my wise old grandma used to say "Just because you can does not mean you should".
I still am in contact with several FA's that I have become friends with over the many years of flying. They were the most dedicated, professional people I have ever met in the sky.
While yes, there were many times I flew a L-1011 and duct tape was used on the ceiling tiles and later there was not food. We, as passengers, never had drinks served out of a cart. We were always served a pre-flight take off drink, in frist class. (that does not happen most of the time on AA).
The several times I flew to HNL, it was always like being home when I saw the TWA 747 at the gate.
At first I was all for the merger, and that was what it was, a merger. It soon became obvious that the TWA employees were not going to do well.
As a passenger, I would rather have a FA or Pilot with many more years of expierence than others that do not, just because they are based on the length of time they have been employeed by an airline.
Don't get me wrong, the AA employees have been, for the most part good, but there is not the sense of working together that the TWA employees had.
If there was a reason for TWA going down, it not about the empolyees its about a person named Ican, we the employees could be accountable for.
To some AA employees, please put your situtation in the TWA employees shoes. Yes, you will probably never merged but if in the future you are, I doubt that you will be happy to what happens to you, if it is like the way TWA people were treated.
All employees are in the same boat, you should stick together instead of being against each other.
What ever happend to "two great airlines, on great future?" That to me just shows that it was a merger and not a buy out.
UNITED YOU STAND, DIVIDED YOU FALL.
It seems like there is a lot of division here.
twa would not have "still been here" as you put it. That is just wishful thinking on your part in your attempt to make twa look a lot better than it actually was in order to justify having your twa seniority at AA. Compton publically stated that fuel prices in 2000 were bleeding twa dry; and these prices were dirt cheap when compared to the price of fuel from 2001 to the present. twa would not have survived $60-$80 a barrel oil (not even $50/ barrel), outrageously high aircraft lease rates, and the cash sucking Icahn ticket agreement. To believe otherwise is just pure fantasy on your part. If twa would have received the partial reimbursement for the nationwide grounding, it would not have made any difference because it would just have been a relatively small amount. If twa was in such great shape, then why did Air Tran run like hell the other way when they studied the idea of merging with twa? After all, route wise and fleet wise, they would have complimented each other perfectly. The reason, they did not want to infect themselves with the Icahn agreement. As for an "alliance" with Alaska and America West; alliances are not a miracle cure for financially distressed companies, just ask Varig. Even though they were in the star alliance with industry powerhouses such as Lufthansa and United it did them no good, companies have to make it on their own merits. Evidence was presented in court that twa had only a few days of cash remaining with the pending debt of $100,000,000 coming due; I suggest you read the twa bankruptcy transcripts for the facts. You make the comparison of twa to America West. This is a bogus comparison because America West did not have an Icahn ticket agreement nor did it obtain a large number of aircraft in such a short time frame at ridiculously high lease rates; these are the facts and they are indisputable.
As far as Transcarribean, AirCal, and Reno, those employees didn't come into AA with a "I'm better than thou" attitude and were grateful for the opportunities that AA offered. I have heard very little negativity at AA concerning the mergers with those carriers.
[/quote
Trans Carib and AirCal received DOH. Reno but virtue of their limited seniority and no union was stapled. While I do not think the TWA f/as should have received DOH, I do think % slotting was in order, or at the very least, keep the "fence" pure. Remember, the 1st SIA included JFK as a fence.
As for Bill Compton, do you honestly think the AA-TWA "deal" came out of nowhere? It was in the works for a long time before it was announced. Cash was limited to make the bogus bk more believable. The bk was done for no other reason than to abrogate the vendor and employee contracts, inculding SCOPE(which ironically the APFA patterned their's after ours) Bill and Don are sitting "pretty" with their pay-offs while good employees
pay the price for their greed. ALL AA EMPLOYEES.
As for Bill Compton, do you honestly think the AA-TWA "deal" came out of nowhere? It was in the works for a long time before it was announced.
Of course the deal didn't come out of nowhere. What's missing in your argument is that "a deal" had been in the works, not just a deal with AA. Compton had already shopped TWA to just about every airline in the US, including AA who initially said no.
Learning from what each carrier had used as a rejection point, TWA's lawyers had refined the terms to make it workable in AA's view. And if you really believe that the terms AA's lawyers introduced into the deal were things that no other carrier would have introduced, then it's time for you to go request EAP's help.
You can call it a bogus BK and tell me I don't know everything if it makes you feel better, but the facts are out there to verify what I've said. All you have to do is go read for yourself TW's 10-Q's filed with the SEC.
Read the previous three or four quarters prior to 1/1/2001, and it's obvious TW was heading into a cash crisis in 1Q01. That's not something you can just make up on the fly.