HAIL DAMAGE DFW

[Bob Owens]

That pretty much wipes out all the spares. If the guys from TUL are only getting straight time my bet is they would drive back home , I would, we go on Field trips to make money and nothing says we have to go and nowadays theres plenty of OT.

 

[Hopeful]

That pretty much wipes out all the spares. If the guys from TUL are only getting straight time my bet is they would drive back home , I would, we go on Field trips to make money and nothing says we have to go and nowadays theres plenty of OT.

If they are only getting straight time, then they are agreeing to a violation of the contract.

Field trip rules state ALL time spent away will be paid at applicable field trip rates.....

 

[chris perry]

Most hangers were empty? So nobody even hung up their clothes on the hangers?

Oh, I see - the airplane hangars were empty and could have accomodated a few airplanes.

I agree; poor management planning to not fill up the hangars with airplanes. Which of the dozens of planes would you have moved into hangars if you had been in charge? There isn't room for 80 planes inside DFW's hangars, is there?

I'll bet that management is more concerned about the possibility of hangars collapsing on top of valuable airplanes in a severe storm/tornado than they are about fixing some hail damage. Maybe that's why most hangars were empty? Could be that the best place for a plane is at the gate.

AT LEAST THREE HOURS NOTICE,AND YES THREE 777'S SITTING OUTSIDE ALL DAY. I REALLY DONT CARE LET EM ALL SIT OUTSIDE AND LEAVE YOUR CAR OUT THERE TOO..... THE HOUSE MIGHT FALL ON IT. YES THERE IS ROOM INSIDE FOR ALLOT,WE PUT 20+ AIRPLANES IN HANGER 2 DURING THE LAST MAJOR HAIL STORM IN THE 90'S.THE BEST PLACE IS DIVERTED FROM A STORM OF THIS MAGNITUDE, NO EFFORT WAS EVEN ATTEMPTED....OH WELL I WILL JUST KEEP COLLECTING OT DOLLARS.....IN THE PAST HEADS WOULD ROLL NOW NOTHING NO ACCOUNTABILITY.......

 

[eolesen]

Chris, if the company scrambled airplanes every time there was a hail warning for North Texas, you wouldn't have an operation for six weeks out of the year....

How many were taken out of service for repair? Not inspection, but repair. How many are still out of service?...

 

[Kev3188]

I agree; poor management planning to not fill up the hangars with airplanes. Which of the dozens of planes would you have moved into hangars if you had been in charge? There isn't room for 80 planes inside DFW's hangars, is there?

I'll bet that management is more concerned about the possibility of hangars collapsing on top of valuable airplanes in a severe storm/tornado than they are about fixing some hail damage. Maybe that's why most hangars were empty? Could be that the best place for a plane is at the gate.

Point taken, but I'd hope they were most concerned with the possibility of hangars collapsing on top of valuable employees...

 

[jimntx]

Surely you jest! Employees over tangible assets??? How droll. Kev, there are thousands of professional comedians out of work, there is no need for you to try to be funny.

 

[Tex-Mech]

AT LEAST THREE HOURS NOTICE,AND YES THREE 777'S SITTING OUTSIDE ALL DAY. I REALLY DONT CARE LET EM ALL SIT OUTSIDE AND LEAVE YOUR CAR OUT THERE TOO..... THE HOUSE MIGHT FALL ON IT. YES THERE IS ROOM INSIDE FOR ALLOT,WE PUT 20+ AIRPLANES IN HANGER 2 DURING THE LAST MAJOR HAIL STORM IN THE 90'S.THE BEST PLACE IS DIVERTED FROM A STORM OF THIS MAGNITUDE, NO EFFORT WAS EVEN ATTEMPTED....OH WELL I WILL JUST KEEP COLLECTING OT DOLLARS.....IN THE PAST HEADS WOULD ROLL NOW NOTHING NO ACCOUNTABILITY.......

Chris

I've been told that management sent a 767 and 777 that were taken out of the hangar and taxied to the gate 20 minutes before the storm hit.


E.

I agree with you on the amount of storms in the DFW area, but this night had an extreme high risk for very large hail, and with black on a radar half the size of the metroplex approaching Fort Worth, it was rather obvious that bad things were about to happen. Heck, on the weather channel they were talking about passengers being evacutated, and that was 30 minutes in advance.

 

[chris perry]

Chris, if the company scrambled airplanes every time there was a hail warning for North Texas, you wouldn't have an operation for six weeks out of the year....

How many were taken out of service for repair? Not inspection, but repair. How many are still out of service?...

What I was saying was there was close to a half a billion dollars worth of 777's just sitting outside.They could have been put inside, With little effort.

 

[chris perry]

Sure scrambling the whole fleet don't make sense,but secure what you have control over......

 

[DallasConehead]

Chris, there’s no doubt you are correct despite the opinions of the pro management pundits that claim management can do no wrong and that those of us closest to the operation know nothing.

In this day and age with MBAs running the airline instead of airplane guys, all that matters are numbers, getting aircraft under cover or not flying them in at all and then try to put the schedule back together after the danger has passed doesn't make sense to them.

We all know that a great number of airplanes can fit in the hangars; all it takes is a directive to do so forgoing the lead in lines. Maybe you end up with a couple crunched wingtips, that’s allot less than the high number damaged with hail.

I guess I wonder if there is an insurance payoff in all of this? Maybe we just don’t see the big picture.

 

[Mach85ER]

Chris, there’s no doubt you are correct despite the opinions of the pro management pundits that claim management can do no wrong and that those of us closest to the operation know nothing.

In this day and age with MBAs running the airline instead of airplane guys, all that matters are numbers, getting aircraft under cover or not flying them in at all and then try to put the schedule back together after the danger has passed doesn't make sense to them.

We all know that a great number of airplanes can fit in the hangars; all it takes is a directive to do so forgoing the lead in lines. Maybe you end up with a couple crunched wingtips, that’s allot less than the high number damaged with hail.

I guess I wonder if there is an insurance payoff in all of this? Maybe we just don’t see the big picture.

As much complete and total contempt I have for the management culture of this airline, I have to give them a pass on this issue. Hail is totally unpredictable and would send us to CHP7 if we reacted under some idiotic parameters in written form to stow aircraft in the hangars in the event of some forecast hail. Even worse would be 75 airplanes jammed into a hangar and a chintzy F1 tornado pulls a dirtect hit on it, causing the roof supports to slice the wing spars and tail sections on all the aircraft that would have been undamaged if spread out. The Japanese loved the same line a thought as they opened up a few unsanctioned "Open Skies" routes on Dec 7, 1941 and found every plane packed close together. It's a bet to keep the planes at the gates. The Vegas Casinos would take those odds any day of the week and they don't lose.

 

[odie01]

As much complete and total contempt I have for the management culture of this airline, I have to give them a pass on this issue. Hail is totally unpredictable and would send us to CHP7 if we reacted under some idiotic parameters in written form to stow aircraft in the hangars in the event of some forecast hail. Even worse would be 75 airplanes jammed into a hangar and a chintzy F1 tornado pulls a dirtect hit on it, causing the roof supports to slice the wing spars and tail sections on all the aircraft that would have been undamaged if spread out. The Japanese loved the same line a thought as they opened up a few unsanctioned "Open Skies" routes on Dec 7, 1941 and found every plane packed close together. It's a bet to keep the planes at the gates. The Vegas Casinos would take those odds any day of the week and they don't lose.

Your an Idiot, when they predict hail, you put the planes in the barn. SOP. You have no clue how F'd up and inexperienced our managers are.

 

[TWU informer]

Go ahead and slam each other, treat one another disrespectful, and use the powerful playground name calling tools, for having differing views on what might have been.
Meanwhile the fact remains that the AMT's are diligently placing the out of service aircraft back into the system.
Management has been quoted in the media stating what a great job the AMT's have done.
Now we await the real truth about how they intend to reward such efforts.
That is what each and every AMT should be focused on.

 

[odie01]

Go ahead and slam each other, treat one another disrespectful, and use the powerful playground name calling tools, for having differing views on what might have been.
Meanwhile the fact remains that the AMT's are diligently placing the out of service aircraft back into the system.
Management has been quoted in the media stating what a great job the AMT's have done.
Now we await the real truth about how they intend to reward such efforts.
That is what each and every AMT should be focused on.

Screw you Informer, what are you doing to help the cause?

 

[Interested]

Look at what happened to the Home Depot in Joplin. Large span roofs don't hold up in large tornadoes. How much more of a loss would of it been if the hangers were loaded up, and the roof came tumbling down?