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Can you take Herb's words and turn them into something actionable in the current situation? If so, then please do.

I think FPJ is getting what he wanted out of you guys. He's showing that all you guys can do is dwell on the past and fingerpoint,

Yea time to pay the piper for your LEADERSHIP'S inept ability to manage an airline!

Well every action has an equal and oppisite reaction!!!!The past actions are why your SCAB airline is in DIRE STRAITS.
 
As far as saving NWA goes, I'd ad that since management wishes to emulate the pay and benefits of LCCs, they should pay no management personnel higher than their LCC counterparts.

This might lessen some of the labor relations adversity
 
Maybe if you consider the fact that SWA has been profitable for the last 33 years, you might start to grasp what everyone else here is getting at.

Fuel hedging aside SWA is still run better as an airline, period.
I have clearly stated as much in my posts. I am making a very simple point concerning the current state of the airline industry, that even a stellar performer like SWA is currently losing money on operations. I thought I made that pretty clear. I was really hoping there would be some intelligent back and forth on this subject. I was just making an observation of the facts in light of the recommendations that were being made.

Hopefully there are some poeple out there that can at least make this a constructive conversation.
 
Huh......Finman :unsure:
I love working at NWA!!!

Back to the topic.

I do think that going the SWA way and having flight attendants and pilots clean the planes after the flight is a good idea. I don't know how receptive those work groups are to picking up those duties, but hopefully that is one of the "best practices" that we can pick up from SWA.
 
I love working at NWA!!!

Back to the topic.

I do think that going the SWA way and having flight attendants and pilots clean the planes after the flight is a good idea. I don't know how receptive those work groups are to picking up those duties, but hopefully that is one of the "best practices" that we can pick up from SWA.
QUOTE(ThirdSeatHero @ Jan 24 2006, 07:19 PM)
they should pay no management personnel higher than their LCC counterparts.

...About as receptive as your LEADERSHIP is to this notion!
 
QUOTE(ThirdSeatHero @ Jan 24 2006, 07:19 PM)
they should pay no management personnel higher than their LCC counterparts.

...About as receptive as your LEADERSHIP is to this notion!
I don't think its a bad suggestion. I have no idea as to how NWA compares in that area, but I'd guess they are already pretty similar in total compensation. NWA doesn't really compete with other airlines for a vast majority of its management personnel, but rather with Target, 3M, UnitedHealth, and some of the other major players in the twin cities. But, like I said, I don't think that it's a bad idea to try to align those costs with LLCs where possible.
 
I don't think its a bad suggestion. I have no idea as to how NWA compares in that area, but I'd guess they are already pretty similar in total compensation. NWA doesn't really compete with other airlines for a vast majority of its management personnel, but rather with Target, 3M, UnitedHealth, and some of the other major players in the twin cities. But, like I said, I don't think that it's a bad idea to try to align those costs with LLCs where possible.
:blink: ....Did you actually say that? My god there is hope for you after all Finman! :up:
 
If you want another idea, how about having the non rev's help clean the aircraft on the way out? And I'm not just speaking of SA but SP also.....I can just see Cohen or Davis crossing belts as they leave their seats!!! :up:
 
How many at NWA can puff out their chest and say "I love working at NWA?"

There was a time once when I would have jumped right up and said that. I'd love to be able to do it again with any meaning. Unfortunately, at the rate we're going I'll be fighting Flight Planner Jim for the rocking chair at Shady Acres before that happens....
 
Flight planner Jim,

OK, I'll put my 2 cents in.(A very good post, I might add)!

(Bickering over WN/fuel hedges etc. IS'NT answering FPJ's question(s), Although I HIGHLY respect ol' Herb)(Second best all time airline CEO, right behind "Uncle" Bobby Crandall) !!!


(IMHO) it would be meaningless, to go into my litany of changes to present NWA, because I believe VERY STRONGLY that the "following" is fast approaching;

UAL is "out" of BK(as most of you all know), and is/will I believe, make a "move" for Continental !!!

Without Question, that will Immediately set in motion, AA smiling "devilishly" at NWA. 🙄 🙄

So I guess that means that MY suggestion echo's FWAAA's response, for BIG RED to join the ranks of "the SKY NAZI's"

One thing that jumped out at me, while perusing the IAM "offer" , was an article that would grant NW employees "Allegheny/Mohawk" protection, should NW be acquired. THAT,s a BIG thing for the (prospective) NW..to..AA employees. TWA employees would have "KILLED" for that article !!!!!!

NH/BB's
 
Here are a few things I would do if I ruled the world...Some would take a sea change in the NW "culture," others could be implemented almost immediately:

1.First and foremost, this leadership team has to go. They have completely lost the trust of the masses, and I don't think there is anyway to win it back if the current regime stays in place. No forward progress can be made without it.

2. Roll the hubs. Use the gains in efficiency to grow the airline; either by strengthining core routes, or growing new ones. A/C utilization goes up, fixed costs come down. Even with the baby steps NW has made in the this direction, our planes sit on the ground for ridiculous amounts of time. Get 'em moving. More.

3. Find a way to combine the "enhanced severance" being offered with a transition to retirement. A bit of a cost upfront, but long term the overall labor cost goes down. As I noted on another thread, there'd be a stampede to HR to get the paperwork.

4. Turn DLH into a profit center. Lots of Airbii needing service out there. Fantastic amounts of tooling, worker skill and facility going to waste. Enough said.

5. Base the pilot pay scale on years of service rather than being predicated by type(s) flown, ala UPS. I have to think if nothing else this would mitigate training costs-at least a little.

6.Close Central Load. Have the ESL's (or operations agent) do it locally. Redistribute the displaced CSA's elsewhere at the MSP point(they're already there, BTW, so no geographic relocation is required).

7.Find a way (contractually/paywise/whatever) to have the F/A's help on turn/through cleans.

If there's a sation out there that currently has enough ESE's or CSA's to do a turn clean the way the passengers deserve, I'd like to hear about it...If price is the great equalizer when choosing a carrier, service breaks the tie. This is a start.

8.Bring back inflight entertainment. FFS, put a movie on already!

9. Find a way to schedule flight crews more efficiently.

10. Use BK to abdicate A/C leases and facility leases. I know the former is happening in great scale, but I haven't heard much about the latter. Hopefully, it's occuring. I think most line stations could "lose" 1 to 2 gates and not miss a beat. Mine could.

Anyway, there's 10 right off the top of my head. Feel free to shoot holes in my maifesto. Yeah, I know a lot of them would cost money to implement. My response to that is, what is it costing us to not do these things?


P.S. Is it possible to use some of your exit financing for hedging? I honestly don't know, but hedging (if ever possible again @ NW) would go along way toward forecasting and palnning for future costs.
 
One thing that jumped out at me, while perusing the IAM "offer" , was an article that would grant NW employees "Allegheny/Mohawk" protection, should NW be acquired. THAT,s a BIG thing for the (prospective) NW..to..AA employees. TWA employees would have "KILLED" for that article !!!!!!

NH/BB's
Well, if nothing else it would finally put the Ducks vs. Red Tail debate on pause, and replace it with a Red Tail vs. NAAtives one.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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