How about another "Occupy" protest

[delldude]

It is a fact in your 'mind', nothing else.
There are 'numerous' segments of society that do not have the same rights as others.
Shall we make a list?

Looking like the gay community isn't for equal rights.

Garrett said he decided to join the show because he wanted to show that there are gay “conservative, Republican, Christians” out there. But he said he has been “destroyed by the gay community” for his views and he’s doubtful he’ll return for another season after this.

“I would’ve thought people would have been a little more tolerant considering that our community advocates for tolerance, but it has been nothing but mean spirited attacks, especially after the Ann Coulter scene,” he said.

The point of having lunch with Coulter, he said, is to show people that “just because you don’t support gay marriage doesn’t make you a bigot, doesn’t mean you hate gay people, it just means you disagree on gay issues.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/12/gay-tv-star-claims-he-was-assaulted-bloodied-for-being-a-conservative-associated-with-ann-coulter/#ixzz1diA367nD

 

[Ms Tree]

I wasn't aware a rapist asks for consent......

' Excuse me, I'm going to rape you.....is that

That was my point. XUT was bringing up rapists as an example of a group that did not have equal rights which is ludicrous on its face because the victim of rape does not give consent.

Marriage is between to consenting adults. Pedophiles and rapists do not involve consent. XUT does not seem to understand the legal comment of consent.

 

[xUT]

No. An opinion would be whether or not you think people of the same gender should be allowed to marry. It is a fact that this is about equal rights. There is a segment of society who do not have the same rights as others. That is a fact.

It is a fact in your 'mind', nothing else.
There are 'numerous' segments of society that do not have the same rights as others.
Shall we make a list?

There are numerous segments of society that do not have the same rights as others.
Your only retort is 'consent'. Still doesn't change the the facts.
Not too long ago homosexuality was illegal, that's a fact, consent or not.
Now it is "acceptable", that is also a fact.

You stated 'There is a segment of society who do not have the same rights as others.'
I gave you examples of other segments that do not enjoy equal rights.
Legal or not it's a fact!

B) xUT

 

[Ms Tree]

What you fail to grasp is that the examples you cited are not equivalents. Marriage between two (or more).consenting adults does not violate anyone's rights (consent). Rape and pedophiles violate a persons rights (they do not provide consent). There are quite a few groups that do not have equal rights. The ones that you mentioned are deprived of equal rights.

Had you said given an example such as polygamy that would have been a valid exam since the people involved are consenting adults and have the ability to consent.

Whatbwas or was not legal at one point in our history is not being discussed. Inrer-racial marriage was illegal at one time as well. The law was struck down. The same will happen to DOMA and the ban on same sex marriage. I belive the same wi happen to plural marriage as well. There is no justifiable state interested to deny equal rights to everyone.

 

[xUT]

What you fail to grasp is that the examples you cited are not equivalents. Marriage between two (or more).consenting adults does not violate anyone's rights (consent). Rape and pedophiles violate a persons rights (they do not provide consent). There are quite a few groups that do not have equal rights. The ones that you mentioned are deprived of equal rights.

Had you said given an example such as polygamy that would have been a valid exam since the people involved are consenting adults and have the ability to consent.

Whatbwas or was not legal at one point in our history is not being discussed. Inrer-racial marriage was illegal at one time as well. The law was struck down. The same will happen to DOMA and the ban on same sex marriage. I belive the same wi happen to plural marriage as well. There is no justifiable state interested to deny equal rights to everyone.

Like abortion. You have no qualms about circumventing consent of the father or the child.

 

[delldude]

Whatbwas or was not legal at one point in our history is not being discussed. Inrer-racial marriage was illegal at one time as well. The law was struck down. The same will happen to DOMA and the ban on same sex marriage. I belive the same wi happen to plural marriage as well. There is no justifiable state interested to deny equal rights to everyone.

With that said pedophilia is under the equal rights statute. After all its a sexual orientation issue.

 

[Ms Tree]

Like abortion. You have no qualms about circumventing consent of the father or the child.

Do you actually think through any of your statements?

How do you propose giving the father a say? There are only two people involved in the issue. If you split it 50/50 then the woman is held hostage to the man? A 50/50 split does not work unless someone has a the tie breaking vote. So who gets to decide? So again how do you plan on this working?


How about the embryo/fetus? Currently the COTUS does not afford rights to the unborn.

Where exactly does the womans rights fit into your scenario? Face it. You do not want the woman to have any rights. She got knocked whether it be by consensual sex, rape or incest now she has to suck it up and deal with it.

Either the woman has control over her body or she does not. There is no in between on this one.

 

[delldude]

How about the embryo/fetus? Currently the COTUS does not afford rights to the unborn.

Fetus isn't 'natural born' yet......why should the COTUS afford rights to a fetus?

 

[Ms Tree]

With that said pedophilia is under the equal rights statute. After all its a sexual orientation issue.

Does no one here have any understanding of how the US law works?

There is no law on the books that allows an adult to have sex with a minor. Since there is no law on the books there is no issue of equal rights. By the way, the same applies to rape.

 

[Ms Tree]

Fetus isn't 'natural born' yet......why should the COTUS afford rights to a fetus?

Damned if I know. Ask Xut, he is the one who brought it up.

 

[delldude]

Does no one here have any understanding of how the US law works?

There is no law on the books that allows an adult to have sex with a minor. Since there is no law on the books there is no issue of equal rights. By the way, the same applies to rape.

Funny, homosexuality was a mental/sexual disorder and banned until activist lobbying went forth just like the pedophile lobby is.

 

[Ms Tree]

Funny, homosexuality was a mental/sexual disorder and banned until activist lobbying went forth just like the pedophile lobby is.

Blacks were 3/5th and women could not vote or own property. What's your point?

US law is reflective of the beliefs of society at the time. Social norms change over time. Gays are now recognized as being equal members of society (well, almost). The law will eventually catch up.

Seriously Dell, pedophilia is the same as being gay? Gay relationships are consensual just like heterosexual relationships. Funny how that works huh? Pedophilia is not consensual. A child is being molested or worse. It's just a little bit different than a consensual relationship.

 

[delldude]

Blacks were 3/5th and women could not vote or own property. What's your point?

US law is reflective of the beliefs of society at the time. Social norms change over time. Gays are now recognized as being equal members of society (well, almost). The law will eventually catch up.

Seriously Dell, pedophilia is the same as being gay? Gay relationships are consensual just like heterosexual relationships. Funny how that works huh? Pedophilia is not consensual. A child is being molested or worse. It's just a little bit different than a consensual relationship.

Blacks were 3/5's only for taxation and representation. Whats your point?

All these teachers that have trists with boys/girls isn't consensual?
It goes to the 'try it you'll like' progressive mantra. Anything goes.
How many gay started out with a pre-pubescent experience with an adult?
I didn't read anywhere in the indictment where anyone was tied up and raped.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Blacks were 3/5's only for taxation and representation. Whats your point?

All these teachers that have trists with boys/girls isn't consensual?
It goes to the 'try it you'll like' progressive mantra. Anything goes.
How many gay started out with a pre-pubescent experience with an adult?
I didn't read anywhere in the indictment where anyone was tied up and raped.

Research has not yet shown a causal link between homosexual behavior and pedophilia. No one really knows why or how we end up with a Jerry Sandusky character or a father who molests his daughter or why a relatively high percentage of Priests are pedophiles.

The damage that occurs with victims of childhood sexual abuse goes way beyond "Turning Gay" as it is highly likely the person was gay to begin with. The damage, and I've seen it first hand is far more heinous. Far to often it leads to a life time of promiscuity, abuse and addictions. Obesity is very common in women who were sexually or physically abused as well.

Children have the verbal capacity to say "YES", however they lack the maturity to give fully informed consent and that's why it's illegal whether it be homosexual or heterosexual contact, children lack the capacity to give informed consent. It's the same legal concept as having a parent give consent for a surgical procedure on a minor. Someone has to act in the best interests of the child. It's also why the courts will often assign a Guardian Ad Litem to children involved in a custody battle.

 

[Ms Tree]

Blacks were 3/5's only for taxation and representation. Whats your point?

My point is that law makers and the people who vote them in have enacted laws that were in violation of the COTUS (as later interpreted) and against the moral code by later generations. So while earlier generations may have considered homosexuality to be immoral and something to be legislated against, that belief is waning and the laws that deprive homosexuals of equal rights are seen as both immoral and in violation of the equal protection clause of the COTUS.

All these teachers that have trists with boys/girls isn't consensual?

No they are not. So long as the child is under the age of legal consent it is statutory rape. A minor does not have the legal right to consent to such behavior.

It goes to the 'try it you'll like' progressive mantra. Anything goes.

Anything goes? Talk to Sparrow about that. I happen to believe that anything goes so long as it does violate the rights of others. Given that our society does not believe that a minor has the mental development to make an informed decision (I agree with this) their rights would be violated and I am not aware of any progressive who believe that the rape of a child is OK. To imply that otherwise with out shred of evidence is ludicrous.

How many gay started out with a pre-pubescent experience with an adult?

I do not know. Do you have ay research to back up your accusation? I would be willing to bet that as a percentage no more than those heterosexual encounters.

I didn't read anywhere in the indictment where anyone was tied up and raped.

Seriously Dell? Not all rape requires that a person (yes a man can be raped) be tied up. Rape by definition is involuntary and/or unconsensual sex. A minor can not legally give consent therefore the sex is unconsensual and considered rape. Whether or the the child thinks they wanted the encounter or not is not relevant. The child CANNOT consent to sex.