How about another "Occupy" protest

[xUT]

No. An opinion would be whether or not you think people of the same gender should be allowed to marry. It is a fact that this is about equal rights. There is a segment of society who do not have the same rights as others. That is a fact.

It is a fact in your 'mind', nothing else.
There are 'numerous' segments of society that do not have the same rights as others.
Shall we make a list?

 

[xUT]

I'll go first:
1. pedophiles

 

[Ms Tree]

I'll go first:
1. pedophiles

Consent.

 

[xUT]

Consent.

2. Rapists

 

[Ms Tree]

2. Rapists

Consent.

 

[xUT]

Consent.

3. Illegal Aliens

 

[Ms Tree]

3. Illegal Aliens

non sequitur. Illegal.

 

[xUT]

non sequitur. Illegal.

Your turn.

 

[Ms Tree]

How so? You said you would start and so far have not presented a single example.

 

[Dog Wonder]

If you wan't to travel to Whiefish, Montana and camp out, have at it.

 

[xUT]

How so? You said you would start and so far have not presented a single example.

You have contributed with nothing.

When handed something more than a rote retort, you deflect

Typical, if you don't have an answer, blame someone else.

 

[Ms Tree]

You have contributed with nothing.

When handed something more than a rote retort, you deflect

Typical, if you don't have an answer, blame someone else.

Wow. I thought you were just joking but I guess you really do not get it.

Pedophiles. Children to not have the legal right to consent. An adult having sex with a minor is illegal according to US law. It is not illegal for certain people. It is illegal for all people. This is not a group that would qualify for equal rights.

Rapists. Again it is a matter of consent. Rape is a crime and by it's nature does not imply consent. If consent were given it would be called sex. This falls into that category of your rights ending where my rights begin. You do not have ther right to rape because that violates the victims rights.

Illegal aliens. Really. They are illegal. They are not US citizens and they are not in the US legally.

You said there are other groups who do not have equal rights. The three examples you have provided thus far are obviously not valid. Two involve consent and the other involves legal standing.

You want an example of a group that does not have the same rights as others? Polygamist don't have the same rights.

Who the hell am I blaming?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Wow. I thought you were just joking but I guess you really do not get it.

Pedophiles. Children to not have the legal right to consent. An adult having sex with a minor is illegal according to US law. It is not illegal for certain people. It is illegal for all people. This is not a group that would qualify for equal rights.

Once again, as usual you're WRONG! Has not a thing to do with rights, it has to do with Informed consent. While children may be able to give consent, a more complex question applies in terms of informed consent: whether children are developmentally and otherwise able to give informed consent, in particular to an adult, bearing in mind power relationships, maturity, experience and mental development. For this and other reasons most states have an age of consent under which a child is deemed unable to give consent. As evaluation of maturity, mental maturity, child development, child communication, and child intelligence are further explored, this may be based on psychological and medical evaluation of status for sexual activity instead of chronological age.

Rapists. Again it is a matter of consent. Rape is a crime and by it's nature does not imply consent. If consent were given it would be called sex. This falls into that category of your rights ending where my rights begin. You do not have their right to rape because that violates the victims rights.

No! It's the same as above! It's called "Informed Consent" For example, people who perform sexual acts on sleeping people are not given consent unless the initiator have given prior informed consent to the act within a reasonable recency, and are assumed to be consenting during the act and to not prosecute for it when waking up. This is also an issue in rape fantasy enaction.

Illegal aliens. Really. They are illegal. They are not US citizens and they are not in the US legally.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" While they may not be living in a country as legal residents they still have the rights conferred upon them by their Creator. No government can take them from them.

 

[Ms Tree]

Once again, as usual you're WRONG! Has not a thing to do with rights, it has to do with Informed consent. While children may be able to give consent, a more complex question applies in terms of informed consent: whether children are developmentally and otherwise able to give informed consent, in particular to an adult, bearing in mind power relationships, maturity, experience and mental development. For this and other reasons most states have an age of consent under which a child is deemed unable to give consent. As evaluation of maturity, mental maturity, child development, child communication, and child intelligence are further explored, this may be based on psychological and medical evaluation of status for sexual activity instead of chronological age.



No! It's the same as above! It's called "Informed Consent" For example, people who perform sexual acts on sleeping people are not given consent unless the initiator have given prior informed consent to the act within a reasonable recency, and are assumed to be consenting during the act and to not prosecute for it when waking up. This is also an issue in rape fantasy enaction.

Where do you come up with this stuff? A minor cannot legally give consent, informed or otherwise. A minor is under the age of consent.

A rape victim did not give consent. That is why it is called rape and not sex. That is why rape is a crime, there was no consent given.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" While they may not be living in a country as legal residents they still have the rights conferred upon them by their Creator. No government can take them from them.

This is not what was being discussed by XUT.

 

[delldude]

xUT, on 13 November 2011 - 10:08 PM, said:
2. Rapists

Consent.

I wasn't aware a rapist asks for consent......

' Excuse me, I'm going to rape you.....is that ok? "