How to fix AA

[dfw gen]

Conscience? Managment? E?
That's good LMFAO!

 

[Jacobin777]

Leave it to you to put a pro-management spin on the situation and leave out the most telling facts--namely that the relationship started down the tubes when management took the concessions money that WE gave them in 2003 and awarded themselves bonusses instead of using the money to fix the problems. Remember the April 15th when we announced a loss for the first quarter of the year in the amount of $324 million and the same day the executives accepted $9 million in bonusses. Bonusses are for exceeding expectations, not for just not quitting and not dying. Oh, and buying a $20 million townhouse in Mayfair. Now there was an essential need if there ever was one.

And, spare me the argument that their contracts required them to accept the bonusses. Not buying that one. They could have simply said, "No, thank you. We lost a lot of money last quarter. I really couldn't in good conscience accept a bonus."

You still believe in that garbage?

 

[jimntx]

What garbage? You mean morals and ethics? Yes, I still believe in morals and ethics--definitely in short supply at Centreport.

Or, do you mean the part about the bonusses and the $20 million townhouse in London?
The part about the bonusses and the townhouse happen to be facts--though we didn't know about the townhouse in London until they were required to disclose it's existence to the bankruptcy court. It doesn't matter what you believe or not. Facts are facts.

 

[bigjets]

Say what you want about me if it makes you feel better, and blame management as the antagonists, but the fact still remains that the largest employee groups declared war on AA in 2005, and haven't done anything productive to improve the working relationship with management in the past seven years.

I'd love to see JetBlue come in and take over, but they obviously see their culture as being worth preserving. If AA's employees were indeed desirable, they'd hire more of them. Instead, they're being pretty selective. The day Bob Owens gets hired there, I'll retract this...

This is one of the dumbest postings I ever read. Blaming the toxic relationship between management and unions on the unions. Are you saying that management has no responsiblity at all for this? It was the unions that saved AA from BK in 2003, not any great management decision like buying TWA. I could go on but why waste my time, the union people know the truth. Owens is one guy soon to lose his power as a local president, to say we are all antagonists is lame at best.

 

[Barfbag]

This is one of the dumbest postings I ever read. Blaming the toxic relationship between management and unions on the unions. Are you saying that management has no responsiblity at all for this? It was the unions that saved AA from BK in 2003, not any great management decision like buying TWA. I could go on but why waste my time, the union people know the truth. Owens is one guy soon to lose his power as a local president, to say we are all antagonists is lame at best.

Granted TWA was not a smart move especially when you've been producing red quarters for years. There were boneheads on both sides of the fence here management as well as unions. One union craft cutting up another, we didn't learn with Ichan and Lorenzo. We should only have one union...AIRLINE WORKERS..

The EUropean Unions ( EU ) have watched in horror how America's once leading airlines were ripped to shreds at the hands of millionaires. When Frank Lorenzo showed up at Iberia Airlines doorstep, the unions slammed the door in his face.

They're not going through this garbage, and never will, without a real battle, first.

Yes TWA was dead when AA purchased it, but AA was in intensive care on life supports herself. Millions in revenue, but Billions in debt.

Now we're all screwed in this bankruptcy and in the next wave of bankruptcies we'll be screwed again.

 

[eolesen]

Leave it to you to put a pro-management spin on the situation and leave out the most telling facts--namely that the relationship started down the tubes when management took the concessions money that WE gave them in 2003 and awarded themselves bonusses instead of using the money to fix the problems.

Go look at a calendar, Jim. The first round of payments was in April 2005. Sorry if I didn't find it necessary to read off the Litany of the Grievances to your pleasing. And you know damn well I've consistently spoken out against going thru with those payments -- the execs should have taken Gerard's lead in voluntarily declining them. Please, feel free to go find in the forum's search function where I've ever said otherwise.

When Arpey decided to participate in 2006, that helped cement my decision to leave, and I told my VP & MD's to their face how I felt about it.

All that said, using that as the reason/excuse to walk away from the joint business meetings was a really dumb move on the unions part.

For the first time in decades, you and the unions had guaranteed access to senior management, and an opportunity to have more of a voice in the issues that directly affected your job.

Instead, you allowed yourselves to get whipped up and sidetracked on executive compensation. It makes for a convenient rallying cry and will whip up the troops, but how many jobs did that save? Which workrules were preserved?

 

[dfw gen]

And access to senior management accompliced what? That deer in the headlights look? Or thank you for attending no shut up and leave? Look where that access got you!

 

[jimntx]

E, you know as well as I that the unions' participation was supposed to be sit there, be quiet, and rubber stamp whatever we (management) decide. Then, leave and go convince your troops that you participated in and agree with the decision. It was about as participatory as Bush asking for guidance from Democrats.

 

[Jager]

[background=rgb(255, 255, 51)]As former Continental Airlines CEO Gordon Bethune said in a recent speech at the Oklahoma State Chamber of Commerce annual meeting, in which he talked about his days as a mechanic in the Navy,

"I became a mechanic in the Navy and I learned something then that I have kept with me until today. When you're a mechanic on an airplane, you really don't have a lot of rank with all those big dog officers around. But they don't know how to fix the airplane. And if you treated me with less than the respect I thought you should, I'd just let you sit there for awhile. And when you say, 'Well, how come the airplane's not fixed?' I'd say, well, we've changed out the starter, we've checked out all the wires, but it still trips the breaker ...have you got any ideas? We'll call you when it's ready.'

So, do you know how much faster I could fix an airplane when I wanted to fix it, than when I didn't want to fix it? And that's the edge that your employees can give you -- if they want to do something. It's the same thing with your girlfriend. If you take your girlfriend for granted, she'll show you -- one way or another --that you probably shouldn't have done that."[/background]​

 

[odie01]

[background=rgb(255, 255, 51)]So, do you know how much faster I could fix an airplane when I wanted to fix it, than when I didn't want to fix it? And that's the edge that your employees can give you -- if they want to do something. It's the same thing with your girlfriend. If you take your girlfriend for granted, she'll show you -- one way or another --that you probably shouldn't have done that."[/background]​

Been there done that.....You end up home alone waxing your salami !!! Semper Fi !!!

 

[777 / 767 / 757 Love]

This is one of the dumbest postings I ever read. Blaming the toxic relationship between management and unions on the unions. Are you saying that management has no responsiblity at all for this? It was the unions that saved AA from BK in 2003, not any great management decision like buying TWA. I could go on but why waste my time, the union people know the truth. Owens is one guy soon to lose his power as a local president, to say we are all antagonists is lame at best.

Good point..........but bottom line, and I think its something everyone can agree on if they think rationally, is that BOTH sides have had a part in this toxic relationship, and it will take both sides swalling their pride, forgetting the past while attmepting to see the other side's point of view if this relationship will be made whole again.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

 

[AC Tynker]

Been there done that.....You end up home alone waxing your salami !!! Semper Fi !!!

LMAO!
What about the wearing of the skinny jeans that clouded your thought process in the first place.

 

[eolesen]

Good point..........but bottom line, and I think its something everyone can agree on if they think rationally, is that BOTH sides have had a part in this toxic relationship, and it will take both sides swalling their pride, forgetting the past while attmepting to see the other side's point of view if this relationship will be made whole again.

You're absolutely right, but dispute resolution and rebuilding trust simply doesn't work without sitting at the same table.

 

[AAviator]

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[AAviator]

Yep, and that goes both ways....

That statement would cause you to fail a class in leadership..