How To Manipulate The Cancellation Numbers 101

[TWU informer]

Three simple rules.

Reduce Flight Schedule by 17%

Cancel Flight the night before, so that they do not count as a cancellation next day.

Call any cancellation that does happen as weather or baggage loading issue.

ANYONE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE THE MECHANICS STIRKE IS HAVING AN IMPACT ON NWA IS BLIND AND CANNOT THINK FOR THEMSELVES!

I will say one thing for o'le Steenland, he is a master manupilator via the media.

But the real test will be the financial resolve and that of the passengers. A passenger lied to and inconvenienced will remember that for a long, long time.

I also hear NWA is selling $200 tickets for $80 to put people on the planes and in the airports for the propaganda strategy.

 

[eolesen]

Three simple rules.

Reduce Flight Schedule by 17%

Cancel Flight the night before, so that they do not count as a cancellation next day.

Call any cancellation that does happen as weather or baggae loading issue.

ANYONE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE THE MECHANICS STIRKE IS HAVING AN IMPACT ON NWA IS BLIND AND CANNOT THINK FOR THEMSELVES!

[post="293852"][/post]​

It must be a huge industry conspiracy... AA reduced its schedule on the 23rd -- daily departures (including Eagle and Conx) dropped from 4600 in early August to approx 4300 this week, which was about 7% on a departures basis. In fact, just about every airline seems to be transitioning to their fall schedules about a week or two earlier than normal.

But do keep trying, guys.... you'll eventually convince yourself that the union brought the NWA to its knees, and that this was all worthwhile "for the craft".... I still think it was union suicide.

 

[TWU informer]

It must be a huge industry conspiracy... AA reduced its schedule on the 23rd -- daily departures (including Eagle and Conx) dropped from 4600 in early August to approx 4300 this week, which was about 7% on a departures basis.

But do keep trying, guys.... you'll eventually convince yourself that the union brought the NWA to its knees, and that this was all worthwhile "for the craft"....  I still think it was union suicide.

[post="293858"][/post]​

AA reduced by 7%?

Why not 17% also?

That 10% hiding in your anti-union/management imagination? Do you have an imaginary co-worker also?

Can Steenland sustain the cost of scabs, and outsource maintenance with this on the platter?

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[NWA_NJ]

Of course the strike is having an impact on NWA. They have admitted as much. However, the switch to their fall schedule was planned in advance. They didn't cancel those flights the night before the strike. Please... talk about propaganda.

I also hear NWA is selling $200 tickets for $80 to put people on the planes and in the airports for the propaganda strategy.

[post="293852"][/post]​

Where did you hear that? Why don't you back up your statements with facts? And, what if they are? So what? It's extra revenue for seats that would go unused otherwise.

Admit it... AMFA is losing terribly. Just let it go.

 

[TWU informer]

Of course the strike is having an impact on NWA.  They have admitted as much.  However, the switch to their fall schedule was planned in advance.  They didn't cancel those flights the night before the strike.  Please... talk about propaganda.

[post="293864"][/post]​

Nearly every independent report in the media at the start of the strike said the reduced schedule was implemented earlier than planned. Are you now claiming this is not true?

 

[TWU informer]

Where did you hear that?  Why don't you back up your statements with facts?  And, what if they are?  So what?  It's extra revenue for seats that would go unused otherwise.

Admit it... AMFA is losing terribly.  Just let it go.

[post="293864"][/post]​

Passengers getting off or on the planes are telling picket walkers this information.

I guess it is possible the passengers are telling lies to excuse themselves from flying while they all seem to have sympathy towards the mechanics and their plight.

Or maybe it is true, and you just try to justify the move using your $$$$ brain power logic.

AMFA Losing? There is no winner in this battle, in the end everyone loses. Just watch and see. However, Mechanics will be re-employed at reasonable pay-rates, while the directors of this airline's failure will never be placed in charge of another in the industry. So who loses the most?

 

[NWA_NJ]

Nearly every independent report in the media at the start of the strike said the reduced schedule was implemented earlier than planned. Are you now claiming this is not true?

[post="293865"][/post]​

Nope... it is true. Northwest normally would have switched to their fall schedule this weekend instead of last weekend. However, it was planned. It was part of their strike plan. It was not a last minute decision. Even if the strike was averted and both sides came to an agreement, they still would have been operating on their fall schedule a week early.

 

[TWU informer]

Nope... it is true.  Northwest normally would have switched to their fall schedule this weekend instead of last weekend.  However, it was planned.  It was part of their strike plan.  It was not a last minute decision.  Even if the strike was averted and both sides came to an agreement, they still would have been operating on their fall schedule a week early.

[post="293874"][/post]​

STRIKE- THERE IS NO STRIKE

PAY NOT ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!

 

[NWA_NJ]

AMFA Losing? There is no winner in this battle, in the end everyone loses. Just watch and see. However, Mechanics will be re-employed at reasonable pay-rates, while the directors of this airline's failure will never be placed in charge of another in the industry. So who loses the most?

[post="293869"][/post]​

Yeah, I'd say AMFA will lost the most. NWA will hopefully avoid BK, streamline, and become profitable again. The mechanics could have been been employed at reasonable pay-rates at at NWA. Good luck trying to find jobs where you were making what you were. Some will... there are/were a lot of great mechanics there. However, most will not. The mechanics should have taken the deal... at least if they got laid off, they would have received six months pay as severance. Now they get nothing.

I guess they can always go to work for the next airline that tries to free themselves from the unions... there will always be a need for replacement workers.

 

[upsilon]

Mechanics will be re-employed at reasonable pay-rates

[post="293869"][/post]​

Some who choose to re-apply may be rehired; but not at the rate they were being paid before they struck. The decision on what is "reasonable" will be made by NW management (or by a BK court).

It is interesting that AA AMT employees (such as you) are bringing so much intimate knowlege of the NW operations to this board.

 

[TWU informer]

Some who choose to re-apply may be rehired; but not at the rate they were being paid before they struck. The decision on what is "reasonable" will be made by NW management (or by a BK court).

It is interesting that AA AMT employees (such as you) are bringing so much intimate knowlege of the NW operations to this board.

[post="293881"][/post]​

I doubt they will re-employ with NWA without a contract.

They will not SCAB.

I was talking about employment by other means.

 

[Winglet]

The schedule's been reduced a lot more than management will admit to.

Secondly, it's the NW management mechanics that are allowing the airline to at least limp along and slowly grind to a halt, not the Walmart oil-change rejects that they hired as scabs. I'm sure the management mechanics disdain the scabs as much as everybody else does. But, they have to at least lets these clowns drive the ramp trucks to get them where the real work is.

 

[NWA_NJ]

The schedule's been reduced a lot more than management will admit to.

[post="293888"][/post]​

Care to elaborate?

 

[TWU informer]

Care to elaborate?

[post="293889"][/post]​

Flight Cancellations the night before so that they do not show up as cancellations the following day. Thus, "we are operating" as planned daily!

 

[NWA_NJ]

Flight Cancellations the night before so that they do not show up as cancellations the following day. Thus, "we are operating" as planned daily!

[post="293895"][/post]​

Why don't you post them? Besides, they were probably a result of the work slowdown performed by AMFA.

Look, it's obvious the strike had an impact on their operations. No one has denied that. Of course NWA wants to downplay it as much as possible. But they have survived so far and are moving to normal operations. The backlog of out of service planes has come down close to acceptable levels and the replacement workers are getting more comfortable in their new work environment.