How To Manipulate The Cancellation Numbers 101

[TWU informer]

Why don't you post them?  Besides, they were probably a result of the work slowdown performed by AMFA.

Look, it's obvious the strike had an impact on their operations.  No one has denied that.   Of course NWA wants to downplay it as much as possible.   But they have survived so far and are moving to normal operations.  The backlog of out of service planes has come down close to acceptable levels and the replacement workers are getting more comfortable in their new work environment.

[post="293901"][/post]​

Knock, Knock, Einstein. If they are hidden they cannot be posted.

Post the proof of your rhetoric?

NWA Management has already been proven to have lied early on, why would anyone believe what they say now?

 

[NWA_NJ]

Knock, Knock, Einstein. If they are hidden they cannot be posted.

Post the proof of your rhetoric?

[post="293903"][/post]​

http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/labordoc...ase_28Aug05.pdf

Huge up tick in the number of out-of-service aircraft approaching the strike and on the first day of the strike. Wonder how that happened? Sure, some of them were due to the new replacement mechanics getting familiar with operations. However, if you guys are as great as you say, the AMFA mechanics should have handed off a smooth running airline to the replacement workers. Maybe it's a good thing NWA got rid of them before an unfortunate accident happened.

According to your reasoning, the number of out-of-service aircraft should be increasing as the strike goes on, not decreasing. Thankfully, we have people like KTO keeping the airline flying safely.

 

[TWU informer]

http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/labordoc...ase_28Aug05.pdf

Huge up tick in the number of out-of-service aircraft approaching the strike and on the first day of the strike. Wonder how that happened? Sure, some of them were due to the new replacement mechanics getting familiar with operations. However, if you guys are as great as you say, the AMFA mechanics should have handed off a smooth running airline to the replacement workers. Maybe it's a good thing NWA got rid of them before an unfortunate accident happened.

According to your reasoning, the number of out-of-service aircraft should be increasing as the strike goes on, not decreasing. Thankfully, we have people like KTO keeping the airline flying safely.

[post="293913"][/post]​

Like I said before. As you post the Corporate Rhetoric.

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN

You actually believe an alias on an internet bulletin board is keeping the airline flying?

You sick dog you!

 

[NWAMSP]

Looking at about 75 flights today I could find only one that was cancelled, a handful that left 20 minutes late and the remainder within 15 minutes of schedule....guess flightarrivals.com is in on the conspiracy too

 

[TWU informer]

Looking at about 75 flights today I could find only one that was cancelled, a handful that left 20 minutes late and the remainder within 15 minutes of schedule....guess flightarrivals.com is in on the conspiracy too

[post="293916"][/post]​

I've got your conspiracy right here pal...

 

[NWAMSP]

Hmmm, I forgot, Flight Arrivals and Air Nav use FAA data.....they are in on the conspiracy too.....

 

[keeptheodds]

I think you guys are correct about more planes being out of service the NWA is saying. We have had a lot of aircraft coming in and being parked since the strike has happened. I have been wondering about them for a while but no one seemed to know much about them other than they are down for repair. Today I was talking to guy that is here with a team to repair the aircraft. It appears that just before the strike there were numerous "accidents" where ground equipment collided with the aircraft. These "accidents" I am told, happened at different facilities across the country. There is a odd thing about these "accidents". These collisions just so happened to impact the aircraft in roughly the same area. The point of impact just so happens to be in the pitot static port area. Of course this kills the RVSM capabilities of the aircraft. I wonder what the odds are on those accidents.

 

[NWA_NJ]

Like I said before. As you post the Corporate Rhetoric.

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN

You actually believe an alias on an internet bulletin board is keeping the airline flying?

You sick dog you!

[post="293915"][/post]​

Maybe he is and maybe he isn't... The point is there are great mechanics that are keeping the airline flying safely.

Ah yes, the big conspiracy. Can't believe anything they say. So, with that being the case, why don't you post some stats to prove me wrong. I will be happy to admit as much. Oh right, you can't post anything because it's "hidden."

I have already agreed that the strike has caused disruptions. That much is obvious. That doesn't matter though. What matters is the perception of the strike and how it is affecting the airline. And so far, NWA is doing a great job. People are still flying them. Are some people staying away? Of course. That's a given. But the majority are not. And I expect that to continue.

Like they said recently, their biggest concern right now is the effect Hurricane Katrina will have on their ops.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

NWA NJ,

Just PRAY, and PRAY VERY HARD that because of these SCABS(like Mr. T etc.) that there is NO Accident !!!!!!!!

GOD forbid there is, It wont be on the conscience's of the AMFA AMT's, my friend !!

NH/BB's

 

[chasbatl]

Yeah, I'd say AMFA will lost the most.  NWA will hopefully avoid BK, streamline, and become profitable again.  The mechanics could have been been employed at reasonable pay-rates at at NWA.  Good luck trying to find jobs where you were making what you were.  Some will... there are/were a lot of great mechanics there.  However, most will not.  The mechanics should have taken the deal... at least if they got laid off, they would have received six months pay as severance.  Now they get nothing. 

I guess they can always go to work for the next airline that tries to free themselves from the unions... there will always be a need for replacement workers.

[post="293880"][/post]​

NWA NJ, if you were as knowledgeable as you think you are then you would have known only a (edited) would have voted to accept the proposal from the company when in fact as they stated to the negotiating committee that the severance pay was for anyone laid off within 90 days of the signing but if the company waited 92 days to lay them off then there would be no severance pay. But once again the misinformed are here to spread BS company lies hoping it will make them look smart when it only shows what a true dumbass you really are.

 

[NWA_NJ]

NWA NJ, if you were as knowledgeable as you think you are then you would have known only a dumbass as yourself would have voted to accept the proposal from the company when in fact as they stated to the negotiating committee that the severance pay was for anyone laid off within 90 days of the signing but if the company waited 92 days to lay them off then there would be no severance pay. But once again the misinformed are here to spread BS company lies hoping it will make them look smart when it only shows what a true dumbass you really are.

[post="294020"][/post]​

Wow... that's quite a sentence.

There would have been severance. But now I guess they don't have to worry about that. You just did them a favor.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

NWA NJ,

Lets see, I'm not supposed to belive NWA, the FAA, or the flight tracking software, independent news organizations or NWA employees that are working?

Yet, I am supposed to take as gospel, the words of a pissed off union thug?

 

[AA-MCI]

Yet, I am supposed to take as gospel, the words of a pissed off union thug?

[post="294038"][/post]​

But you have no problem believing a pissed off ANTI-union thug.

Tell me HPearlyretiree, why did the HP mechanics vote in a union if it was the workers paradise you think it was?

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Sure sign you are losing an argument is to ask someone a question to try to divert from the subject.

I haven't seen any proof from the union that NW is having the massive cancellations that were predicted, and its getting better every day.

😀

 

[keeptheodds]

I don't know how to tell you guys that our planes here are being serviced and are leaving here pretty much on time. We do have our delays some are legit but most are because of us making incorrect entries in the computer system. This looks like it is a DOS based program and the guys are fighting it. I'm having a hard time also. Northwest sure does need to get up to speed with the new windows point and click technology. Typing all these codes in is for the birds. I have no doubt that with time we will become more proficient. I think then we will decrease delay times by 70%. Don't worry AMFA we have this place under control. No need for you to come back here.