IAM Fleet Service topic 12/23-

[Edward]

Time for a new topic. Merry Christmas & happy holidays to everyone.

 

[ChockJockey]

The scanners don't improve MBR. They improve accountability and tracking. But that's all right, the companty doesnt' care about MBR anyway. The ACARS update from a couple months ago killed tossing bags on after push. Now that causes the block out to be reset and the ramp is responsible. I for one will let late bags miss instead of being written up for a delay.

Hmm...we're still loading late bags after pushback; I did it last night. We're told it's going to change "soon" but I don't know at what date the bin doors stay closed once they are closed...

It rained pretty good last night, can't imagine a whole lot of scanning occurred what with the late inbounds and the quickturns they created.

 

[b737200]

Management is always right............... they strive to be number one in the DOT stats.
If they say don't open the bin door, then don't, give it about a month when the
pawob (us term) stats are reported and then it will go visa-versa. Let the God's
dictate policy and forever forget the guy who paid 15.00 dollars to check his bag.
Director level and above will beat your arse to get thier performance bonuses,
do what they say and the whole system will fall apart, remember they only hire
cream of the crop.
Merry Christmas and don't forget to call in sick.

 

[robbedagain]

BWI has been using the dumb scanners since Nov. Last night our late inbound from CLT we still used the scanner and instead of a quick turn the plane left 40 min late cuz we were using the scanners. Also, one of the night shift mgrs told me that if we get written up, we wont be allowed to have a union rep with us. I told him "hold on and let me contact my union rep about that" he told me you can have a union rep if you are going to be put on a level. I said we will see about that. of course he is one that doesnt give a rep about us the employees who are working 3 planes at one time--one being a phx flight

 

[famousfreddie]

BWI has been using the dumb scanners since Nov. Last night our late inbound from CLT we still used the scanner and instead of a quick turn the plane left 40 min late cuz we were using the scanners. Also, one of the night shift mgrs told me that if we get written up, we wont be allowed to have a union rep with us. I told him "hold on and let me contact my union rep about that" he told me you can have a union rep if you are going to be put on a level. I said we will see about that. of course he is one that doesnt give a rep about us the employees who are working 3 planes at one time--one being a phx flight

Management 101- "You don't need a shop steward because I not going to issue disapline", says the manager. It is your contractual right to have a union steward with you if YOU believe it may lead to disapline. It is also protected under the wingarten ruling in federal court. My opinion is never trust management and always have someone there.

 

[b737200]

BWI has been using the dumb scanners since Nov. Last night our late inbound from CLT we still used the scanner and instead of a quick turn the plane left 40 min late cuz we were using the scanners. Also, one of the night shift mgrs told me that if we get written up, we wont be allowed to have a union rep with us. I told him "hold on and let me contact my union rep about that" he told me you can have a union rep if you are going to be put on a level. I said we will see about that. of course he is one that doesnt give a rep about us the employees who are working 3 planes at one time--one being a phx flight

Use this one on the dopehead manager,
Tell the manager if you don't need a union rep, we can discuus this in the breakroom
with all the guy's setting around.
Cover your arse at all times, they fire you, you get replaced by a 9.00 dollar guy
and that's what they want

 

[freedom]

We are wasting a perfect opportunity to use the scanners ... As far as I'm concerned the only and BEST time to use these things is during irregular ops .. 99% of the time when everything is flying right ,we're not going to field that many inquires from pax as to where their bags went too ... and scanner or no scanner during most normal operations if we were to use the scanners all the time with every bag it still wouldn't help the pax find their missing bag , because it's missing ... but during highly irregular ops like we're having this week , the scanners could definitely help out ... The only problem right now is the will power to commit the MAN POWER that's required to make them work effectively ... we need to have dedicated scanner people on each gate if we're really going to make good use of them .. otherwise these things are just going to be a drain on resources , they will get banged around and have to be repaired or replaced and all for what ? just so we can say we're a 21st century airline ? if this company REALLY wants to make a difference in the MBR , then they need to start acquiring more solid hand written tags ... like that one person in the last thread wrote ... alot of times the tag separates from the TINY piece of string that attaches it to the flimsy piece of paper it's connected to . BUY BETTER MADE HAND WRITTEN BAG TAGS !!!! :angry:

 

[binderella]

Robbed Again, you know who I am, I stopped and talked to you on the ramp when you first arrived. Never talk to mgmt w/out a union rep. BWI has been short since I've been there. Many a time I have worked the ramp with only 3 people total, including commuters on a Saturday night. We are getting tremendous pressure to improve our on time pushes, if the scanners are a big issue talk to one of the old fart leads and have them bring it up in a meeting. On time trumps anything right now. pm me if you want

 

[ChockJockey]

one being a phx flight

I hate to ask but...what's bad about the PHX flight? :huh:

On seven flights I worked on today we scanned bags on two of them...

 

[wings396]

I hate to ask but...what's bad about the PHX flight? :huh:

On seven flights I worked on today we scanned bags on two of them...

Any Hub bound flight is more time consuming to load due to the zone loading procedures. Bouncing from bin to bin trying to separate, scan, and count bags all at once can be a nightmare in comparison to a flight that is going to an outstation. Scanning procedures slow down the loading/unloading to a large degree, and without an extra person dedicated to scanning it is 10x worse. You can't add and extra task without the proper staffing and expect it to take the same amount of time as it did before. It is even worse when you have a Hub bound flight leaving from another Hub with the ABR's dropping off a steady flow of bags all over the place.

 

[ChockJockey]

Any Hub bound flight is more time consuming to load due to the zone loading procedures. Bouncing from bin to bin trying to separate, scan, and count bags all at once can be a nightmare in comparison to a flight that is going to an outstation. Scanning procedures slow down the loading/unloading to a large degree, and without an extra person dedicated to scanning it is 10x worse. You can't add and extra task without the proper staffing and expect it to take the same amount of time as it did before. It is even worse when you have a Hub bound flight leaving from another Hub with the ABR's dropping off a steady flow of bags all over the place.

Right, no, I mean, I didn't know if he meant there was something specifically bad about PHX inbounds. Would love to get customer feedback on this issue.

 

[robbedagain]

actually, i dont mean to be mean but what im saying is the mgmt is always telling us to use scanners yet in particular we have my crew doing 3 back to back flights--PHX CLT and inbound CLT-outbound-PHL with one being late we are using the scanners yet they preach us to get the flights out on time--in particular the phx flight I think if they wanted to use it let the baggage make up room and the baggage services use the scanners and it would be a lot easier on all of us i think

 

[Ramp Rogue]

It is very easy to use a scanner, all you do is say hey ramper go scan this flight. Then go back into your cushy office like management does. Now if someone from management, or whomever idea it was to use scanners would come and scan for 8 eight hours we would see the end of scanners. Do they know how hectic it is to get a flight out on time with bags, mail, cargo, 30 gate checks, wheel chairs and such? Then you have to stop scanning the aft bin and reprogram the scanner to go scan the fwd bin. Then you have to stop scanning the fwd bin and reprogram it to go back to the aft been to scan 7 bags. Then reprogram it to scan the gate checks for the fwd bin. Then 11 more aft bin bags show up late! All the while you and your one scanner have another flight two gates over that you have to scan and they have already started loading the bags on it. Uh oh, you forgot to reprogram the scanner from your last flight. NOW YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BAGS YOU HAVE FOR ANY FLIGHT! Did I mention that you were scanning and had the wrong flight number in and you hit SEND before you realized it. Now the numbers for your flight are hovering in limbo somewhere. These scenarios actually happened.

Rogue

 

[orioleman]

Right, no, I mean, I didn't know if he meant there was something specifically bad about PHX inbounds. Would love to get customer feedback on this issue.

if you want the truth .. PHX inbds suck.. and I point the finger directly to your upper management.

they don't believe in zone loading a/c . They don't understand the concept and hence its passed through the

ranks. I can't tell you how many times bags have missed because there are 60 conx in the front and 60 conx

in the back. the ABR runners can only be at one belt at a time . so it takes TWICE as long to unload the a/c

and most inbd PHX come in with short ground time. IF all the bags are in one end the runners get there bags

and go. But that never happens and your OPS manager and duty managers don't seem to understand that.

 

[orioleman]

Rogue,
Excellent POINT. the think tank that come up with this didn't take that into account .Because

they don't do our job. Wait a few months when the OJI start going up from trying to sling bags with one

hand while holding the scanner in the other.