IBT/UPS reach TA

[Hopeful]

You should also point out the fact that one of the reasons UPS can pay their mechanics more is because they chose wages over jobs. TWU chose jobs over wages by holding firm to the outsourcing caps. Had portions of overhaul been allowed to go off-property, AA might be in a better position to improve pay for those who remained.
Forgive me for reading all of the words in the article, but the $9/hour says wages and benefits.

If that's really $1.61/hour for total compensation, it's still better than AA, but not exactly keeping up with national COLA.

The big difference here is that UPS NEVER HAD overhaul capability. Hence, they had nothing to negotiate away in that respect. And no one is suggesting that AA shed TUL, AFW and MCI.
The bottom line is that we have sacrificed for almost 6 years and now they want to extend OUR sharing of the sacrifice for two more years? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

They could give us back everything they took and AA WILL STILL BE AHEAD OF THE GAME BECAUSE THE BILLIONS IN SAVINGS FROM ALL EMPLOYEES.

 

[tech2101]

The UPS deal with the International Brotherhood of the Teamsters includes increases in wages and benefits of $9 per hour per worker over the life of the new 5-year contract to take effect on August 1, 2008, union officials said.

That compared to comparable increases of $8.75 per hour per worker in the current six-year contract with the Teamsters, said Ken Hall, chief negotiator for the Teamsters with UPS.
IBT + UPS reach TA
Now compare that with two the past two weeks spent hiding in a bunker with nary a peep on "Non traditional compensation" or anything else for that matter from the TWU. :huh:

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I didn't think that the Airline Division Workers at UPS were covered by this agreement. This only covers the Parcel and Small Package Division.

Airline Division is here.

Any UPS AMT's out there?

 

[mike757]

MCDP,

Thanks for the good luck. I have learned to never say never. If you look at the difference in awareness of AA AMTs between 1986 to today I believe the majority of AMTs are waking up and realizing the problems with the twu int. Anything is possible when people are willing to fight for what is right. I believe my craft is worth fighting for and I am not alone.

You Guys keep it up, and you'll be fighting for a spot in line at the local job service office.

Can anyone say "NEXT PLEASE"

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Well, you never know. I guess that it was easier for me to not come back to AA and walk into the brewing union fight. I had enough of that when I took the layoff in 2005. I guess that I am one of the lucky ones to find a new career that pays as well that is more secure. Even so, I still miss the job.

I wish you the best in your new path. I do not blame you for moving on to a different road. I want the best for our craft and for people to simply make blanket statements about, "Well, just look at XYZ. You are lucky to have a job.", is a fatal way of looking at life. I am glad our Founding Fathers didn't have that mentality.

The problem, other than greedy executives, is not having a democratic process in a craft union. People are the union I agree and if people do not participate then any union will fail. But if a union is democratic problems can be rectified by the membership. We shall see if AA AMTs will be able to control our own contract and destiny.

 

[AMFAMAN]

You Guys keep it up, and you'll be fighting for a spot in line at the local job service office.

Can anyone say "NEXT PLEASE"

Are you suggesting that we should give up fighting for our profession and just accept whatever the man offers? :down:

 

[FWAAA]

Are you suggesting that we should give up fighting for our profession and just accept whatever the man offers? :down:

Just accept it? Hell No! Absolutely not! Demand what you think you're worth and if the man won't play ball, take your skills elsewhere. Post Haste!

As I've pointed out before, lotsa people like to talk about the lucrative alternative gigs that await them and that they're only still fixin' airplanes at AA because they love working on airplanes and love working at airports. If you can't squeeze it out of AA, squeeze it out of someone else.

Strange and foreign as that sounds, that's how it works for the 92.6% of the non-governmental employees in the USA (private sector union membership is now about 7.4% as of the end of 2006: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm ).

Problem is, some guys have much more lucrative gigs in the wings. But lotsa guys don't. Are there any better-paying (or more satisfying) mechanics jobs in Tulsa besides AA? Or in Kansas City? Or anywhere in the metroplex?

Convince enough to leave (and dry up that supply of new wrenches) and wages will rise.

 

[tech2101]

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I didn't think that the Airline Division Workers at UPS were covered by this agreement. This only covers the Parcel and Small Package Division.

Airline Division is here.

Any UPS AMT's out there?

Bump

 

[eolesen]

Good catch.

Given that the local UPS drivers are the primary face of the company to their customers, I can see why the company doesn't have a problem compensating them accordingly. These are they guys who sell and deliver their product.

 

[Bagbelt]

I worked for Airborne Ex. years ago, same Teamster contract. I was the hardest job I've ever had. They pay big bucks but I lost 20 lbs. my first month. By the way union membership has declined largely by deindustrialisation, not lack of support.

 

[mike757]

Are you suggesting that we should give up fighting for our profession and just accept whatever the man offers? :down:

I think as a group, you have to be reasonable. What has AA made in the last couple of quarters...350 mil or so?
That doesn't seem like much to me for a company it's size. Demanding snap backs, at this point. is useless... I mean, come on... you've got no job security, your competing world wide, with contracts going to the lowest bidder. You have greedy exec's at the top, corrupt union officials at the bottom, even the maintenance base's, are willing to cut each others throats, for headcount ...Your screwed... Unless MRO business comes your way, they'll be shipping your jobs overseas, along with everybody else's. There's a time and a place to fight, I just don't think this is it...

Hunker down...build your business...Keep your job...and remember this...AMFA is not the answer.

 

[TWU-GOTTA-GO]

Keep your job...and remember this...AMFA is not the answer.

So is that keep your job at all costs. Hell if we give back another $10 an hour we can recall everyone, and even start hiring again. For $15 an hour paycut, we should be able to bring in all the work we want, even from China.

How can you say AMFA isn't the answer, its goal of uniting all mechanics has yet to be tried. Tell us what is the answer, corporate sponsored unionism such as the twu?