Illegal aliens leaving Arizona

[North by Northwest]

Local,

I also like this strategy: A significant disincentive to employers, composed of fines, potential prison terms for repeat employer offenders, etc.

However, without any other economic or political mechanisms, such a strategy may cause a blow to isolationists. Without those political/economic protections, many companies (mostly those that hired illegal immigrants) will be more motivated to ship jobs overseas to keep their cost structure at a similar level to that of the pre-illegal-immigrant-employer-crackdown.

In other words, this strategy may be trading one poison for another poison.

That is not much of a concern to me as I do not mind the shipping off of non-skilled worker jobs, which just so happens to be the typical type of job that many illegal immigrants are currently working. But as I understand, a scenario such as that may be disturbing to you. So, I think it may be a bit more complicated than simply turning the faucet off to satisfy those who hold similar views as yourself; other much more complicated controls would need to be developed.

If the rest of the country is like Cal. I think we can "manage" to use the cost (like $7.2 Billion a year in school for children of illegal aliens) for illegals on something beneficial to citizens without worrying about giving unskilled Americans higher pay for those same jobs.

Let them "build" Mexico with their "you can't live with out us" burden. For those that NEED to move their "cost" over seas. It's called import tariffs, just like they do in Japan and the EU. (you wanna do biz in the richest market on earth...pay for it)

And yes Local, I must disagree with you...it has a lot to do with race. I remember very will the Haitian boat people. You would have thought Russia was attacking (with the number of Helios, Boats, Ground personnel). We had so many Police, N Guard/ Coast guard on the beaches it was as fast as lightening (ALL RETURNED to Haiti. Now, in my eyes...an illegal is an illegal, I DO NOT CARE what color they are...GO HOME!

 

[local 12 proud]

And yes Local, I must disagree with you...it has a lot to do with race. I remember very will the Haitian boat people. You would have thought Russia was attacking (with the number of Helios, Boats, Ground personnel). We had so many Police, N Guard/ Coast guard on the beaches it was as fast as lightening (ALL RETURNED to Haiti. Now, in my eyes...an illegal is an illegal, I DO NOT CARE what color they are...GO HOME!

I get the jist of your point NBN, but if you think its only about letting illegal "Mexicans" in then you have'nt been to Miami lately.

I agree an illegal is an illegal, no matter the skin color!

 

[North by Northwest]

I think these Politicians just are ignoring how fed up we are. How is it possible that EVERY Democrat is pro amnesty? I know that is NOT the pulse of the people cause I WAS a Democratic!

I will vote based on this ONE issue...ILLEGAL ALIENS. With out the removal of these tens of millions of illegal aliens, the rest is useless. No decent schools for children, LOW pay for the un skilled, deteriorating or closed Medical centers, MORE serious crime of rape, child molestation, gang/drugs. It is a horrific cycle that Americans should NOT be in.

I think we should start putting politicians in jail for purposefully NOT enforcing and protecting our laws and nation...the one they were sworn to. (where's the weight of that oath to the people of this country?)

 

[local 12 proud]

I think these Politicians just are ignoring how fed up we are. How is it possible that EVERY Democrat is pro amnesty? I know that is NOT the pulse of the people cause I WAS a Democratic!

VOTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will vote based on this ONE issue...ILLEGAL ALIENS. With out the removal of these tens of millions of illegal aliens, the rest is useless. No decent schools for children, LOW pay for the un skilled, deteriorating or closed Medical centers, MORE serious crime of rape, child molestation, gang/drugs. It is a horrific cycle that Americans should NOT be in.

...And neither party seems to take this issue serious.

I think we should start putting politicians in jail for purposefully NOT enforcing and protecting our laws and nation...the one they were sworn to. (where's the weight of that oath to the people of this country?)

 

[Gilding the Lily]

Let them "build" Mexico with their "you can't live with out us" burden. For those that NEED to move their "cost" over seas. It's called import tariffs, just like they do in Japan and the EU. (you wanna do biz in the richest market on earth...pay for it)

Yeah... this is an example of a mechanism that I was mentioning. Of course, such tariffs may lead to higher prices for Americans. If made high enough, the tariff would create jobs in America because it would be cheaper to do some homegrown business rather than shipping overseas; many on this board would advocate for such a response... and under certain specific circumstances, I would advocate as well.

But such higher prices (whether Chinese tariff induced or homegrown) may likely cause what those same supporters are worried about: the deepening insolvency of the middle class.

 

[local 12 proud]

I wonder just how many employers are guilty of the same?

The charges alleged Schlup paid his workers in cash and deducted no withholdings from the wages. Employees at the site worked 70 hours a week and the undocumented workers were paid approximately $8 an hour.

“Today’s penalties should serve as a strong warning to others who would consider this type of conduct,â€￾ Nixon said. “We will not tolerate unscrupulous employers who, motivated by greed, cut corners trying to gain an advantage over those businesses that play by the rules. Practices such as those employed by this defendant negatively impact the pay of hardworking Missourians, and are unfair to the businesses that follow our state’s laws,â€￾ Nixon said.

story here

 

[North by Northwest]

"A five-year term in the Department of Corrections was suspended by the court and Schlup was placed on probation."

THIS is the part I have a BIG problem with!!! This greedy criminal pig should have had MANDATORY jail time. He is worse that a drug abuser because he is causing DIRECT hardship and suffering to Americans whom can't find decent paying jobs. (drug users hurt themselves and STILL do jail)

He pays a pissy fine and enjoys his tens of millions stolen from Americans (tax evasion and decent wages).

Mandatory Jail time for ALL employers who break the law with illegal aliens.

 

[North by Northwest]

Arizona today...California TOMORROW! We are already planning an identical one to the new Az. law. Thank GOD!