Inadvertent Slide Deployments

[LCC_#1]

It too was a "monitor & challenge",

IT TOO caused 39 deployments last year to 2 on the west.

 

[Travelpro72]

Is anyone surprised that the little gray booklets that were LIMITED in supply were printed wrong? So they want you to be accountable for some procedure that is as important as arming/disarming a door that could kill someone yet they can't even print a booklet right. They have been promising a NEW booket for a while now. Is it out yet? Or should we have to pull out our suitcase sized manual every single time there is a question about monitor and challenge. It IS simple but NOT the mose effective way of executing the procedures. No shocker there.

 

[Zarah]

Is anyone surprised that the little gray booklets that were LIMITED in supply were printed wrong? So they want you to be accountable for some procedure that is as important as arming/disarming a door that could kill someone yet they can't even print a booklet right. They have been promising a NEW booket for a while now. Is it out yet? Or should we have to pull out our suitcase sized manual every single time there is a question about monitor and challenge. It IS simple but NOT the mose effective way of executing the procedures. No shocker there.

Have you looked at the manual? Check out the Airbus departure pages.

 

[Travelpro72]

As I stated, who the hell wants to have to pull their manual out for anything other than a damn cabin prep or emergency of some sort. They FAILED in giving the flight attendants the proper tools to do the JOB and procedure that could very well get you "time off" if you screw it up and blow a slide. On top of that the info in the booklet is incorrect. HOW long does it take to print out new corrected ones? I guess as long as it takes to get glassware on the plane. That manual stays tucked in my bag unless it is seriously needed. The announcements are in there too. I guess I should pull the manual out if I were to lose my little pink announcement booklet as well. It's a procedure that works but has been POORLY implemented. As for the ISD's east vs. west the numbers were definately higher on the east but as stated were ALWAYS different. If you have Susie and Debbie up front who buddy bid the trip together and DON'T follow the procedure then it's NO different than the old way. If you don't pay attention to what your doing you can F up. You don't need to talk to yourself "outloud" to do it correctly. Passengers will walk over you as you stand in the damn aisle or by the door. Crossed arms and screaming STOP....c'mon. 🙄

 

[N903AW]

Have you looked at the manual?

I'm waiting for it to be made into a movie.

 

[BeenThereDoneThat]

So, you have a totally different situation (slide pin access) and yet you morons continue to act as if the situations were the same and the FA is at fault, demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge and basic ignorance of situational awareness.

Every single FA trainer at PHX should be fired, no exceptions. The head of training should be fired. Heck, the CEO should be fired.

What is wrong with you people? Why are you so stupid you cannot figure out what is going on?

From now on, every push will involve me inspecting every door, every arrival will involve me. I will not subject any crewmember to such idiocy and cretinous behavior on the part of the morons at Tempe, may they burn in hell forever.

Sorry for the /rant.

Tempe needs to die for US to survive.

You need to chill! Go back and read the post, I don't know who P*ssed in your Cherrios, but it wasn't me. If you blow the slide, pony up and take responsibility, if not, it isn't your fault and you aren't being blamed.

 

[Career Reserve]

IT TOO caused 39 deployments last year to 2 on the west.

WHO caused those 39 deployment on the East?
THAT WAS THE QUESTION that no one in the training department would answer.
I don't believe ALL were attributed to the East Flight attendants yet by not giving the stats it WAS IMPLIED!

 

[UWCactus]

WHO caused those 39 deployment on the East?
THAT WAS THE QUESTION that no one in the training department would answer.
I don't believe ALL were attributed to the East Flight attendants yet by not giving the stats it WAS IMPLIED!

It was over 50 deployments and it was all combined. FA's, Fleet Service, Utility. Doors were left armed and opened from the inside or FA's opened from inside while armed.

 

[USCREW]

The last ISD in DCA was done by a cleaner on a 319. Doors were disarmed as verified by the pilots. Cleaner armed 2R and opened door--then tried to blame the "B" F/A for leaving door armed. Cleaner did not know that the flight crew can monitor the doors.

 

[diamondcutter]

The last ISD in DCA was done by a cleaner on a 319. Doors were disarmed as verified by the pilots. Cleaner armed 2R and opened door--then tried to blame the "B" F/A for leaving door armed. Cleaner did not know that the flight crew can monitor the doors.

 

[EMBFA]

I think the song and dance has made it more complicated than it needs to be. The flag on the Airbus stopped you from leaning into and arming it plus drew your eye away from the handle. The new procedure is too dependent on everyone else and the poor communication of the interphone. I want to be concerned with my own door, check the one across from me if there is one and be on my way. I dont really see the need of disarming a door that will never be opened either. Listening for PA confirmation is one thing, calling everyone and talking and pointing and putting on a show for the passengers is another. Its too much nonsense for a simple act.

To be effective, it requires two things:

-the entire crew participating

-crews who give a #### anymore

We have neither

 

[Travelpro72]

Right on.

 

[Career Reserve]

It was over 50 deployments and it was all combined. FA's, Fleet Service, Utility. Doors were left armed and opened from the inside or FA's opened from inside while armed.

Well how many were truly attributed to the East flight attendants?

The company has that information yet chose to keep it to themselves while stating the West only had 2 attributed to their flight attendants.
So my best guess is that MAYBE between 5-7 are attributed to East flight attendants and the rest goes under the catagory of "others".
That changes the whole dynamics of the ISD's.

As I stated Previously

KISS Method is Best 😉

 

[ussnark]

Well how many were truly attributed to the East flight attendants?

The company has that information yet chose to keep it to themselves while stating the West only had 2 attributed to their flight attendants.
So my best guess is that MAYBE between 5-7 are attributed to East flight attendants and the rest goes under the catagory of "others".
That changes the whole dynamics of the ISD's.

As I stated Previously

KISS Method is Best 😉

Excellent.

So, information is put out, using two different criteria, so as to smear one set of employees over another. They didn't even try to hide the smear. Pretty brazen.

OBTW, the FA manual is inaccurate as to new seating arraignments also.

 

[badger]

Hi all,

If I told you there was a new system to the market which eliminates inadvertent slide deployment (ISD), recently certified and fitted to the 757 and 767 with the Airbus A320 family and a number of other types pending would you want it?

I would be delighted to hear your feedback and also any questions you may have. Take a look at www.aero-smart.com and drop me an email at kevinhicks@aero-smart.com

As ISD figures are rarely reported unless there is an injury; if you have some examples I would love to hear about them. Safe flying and best wishes Kevin