Interesting Graph

[Taipan]

Industry Salaries

AVERAGE SALARY PER PILOT, 2003

Delta: $197,400

Northwest: $161,900

US Airways: $154,900

Continental: $140,000

Southwest: $130,100

American: $130,000

US Airways, with proposed cuts: $119,300

United: $116,500

JetBlue: $93,500

America West: $92,100

Air Tran: $90,800

AVERAGE SALARY PER FLIGHT ATTENDANT, 2003

American: $47,851

Northwest: $45,441

Delta: $42,425

Continental: $40,050

US Airways: $36,975

United: $36,537

US Airways, with proposed cuts: $27,701

America West: $27,386

Spirit: $27,043

JetBlue: $26,911

AirTran: $24,004

-- SOURCE: U.S. AIRWAYS ANALYSIS OF U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION DATA
To the casual observer (reporter,everyday traveler,goverment worker,grandma & grandpa etc) united is the highest paid in the industry but in truth we you get down to the details in not only these groups, but you can can add in Customer service,Ramp service,Mechanics and add these same groups for Southwest alot of people would be suprised.Notice how Southwest flight attendants pay is a no show and this is 2003 wait till you add in the new contract.

 

[chexfan]

I see the data. Where's the graph?

 

[funguy2]

And Southwest F/A pay?

 

[Taipan]

How about this

ASSOCIATED PRESS

July 2, 2004

DALLAS – A tentative labor agreement would give flight attendants at Southwest Airlines an average 31 percent pay raise and put them among the industry leaders in pay and work rules.

 

[jimntx]

Industry Salaries

AVERAGE SALARY PER FLIGHT ATTENDANT, 2003

American: $47,851
-- SOURCE: U.S. AIRWAYS ANALYSIS OF U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION DATA

[post="185509"][/post]​

Well, no wonder UAIR is in trouble if this is an example of the acumen of their staff analysts.

I don't know where they got the American #, but the top of scale for an AA International flight attendant in 2003 BEFORE THE CONCESSIONS would have been $54.05/hr which on an average 75 hour month would gross out at $48,645. The 15.6% pay reduction in the concessions went into effect on 01May03. This cut top of scale to $45.61/hr, or an average annual gross of $41056.

For AA domestic flight attendants, the top of scale base pay for 75 hours in 2003 was supposed to be $3855/mo (which included 9 hours of incentive pay), or $46,260/yr. This was before the 15.6% pay cut which took effect 01May03.

Granted, there are other additions, such as incentive, short staffing pay, purser, speaker, etc., but if the base top was less than $50k, I just do not where an average of $47,851 could have come from unless you include all the company contributions for benefits and the expense money which is not even taxable in most cases. But, it is not generally accepted to call those items salary.

 

[iflyjetz]

Does this take benefits into account? If not, that would change the numbers upward for everyone. Some airlines more than others.

 

[FWAAA]

Well, no wonder UAIR is in trouble if this is an example of the acumen of their staff analysts.

I don't know where they got the American #, but the top of scale for an AA International flight attendant in 2003 BEFORE THE CONCESSIONS would have been $54.05/hr which on an average 75 hour month would gross out at $48,645. The 15.6% pay reduction in the concessions went into effect on 01May03. This cut top of scale to $45.61/hr, or an average annual gross of $41056.

For AA domestic flight attendants, the top of scale base pay for 75 hours in 2003 was supposed to be $3855/mo (which included 9 hours of incentive pay), or $46,260/yr. This was before the 15.6% pay cut which took effect 01May03.

Granted, there are other additions, such as incentive, short staffing pay, purser, speaker, etc., but if the base top was less than $50k, I just do not where an average of $47,851 could have come from unless you include all the company contributions for benefits and the expense money which is not even taxable in most cases. But, it is not generally accepted to call those items salary.

[post="185553"][/post]​

The graphs credit the US DOT Form 41 Database for the info and say that it is average salary and wages but excluding benefits:

Notes: Average salary excluding benefits.
*Currently seeking reductions.
**Assumes 23% interim wage rate reduction
***Does not include recently ratified agreement for retroactive pay.
Sources: US DOT Form 41 Database, US Airways.

http://www.transformingusairways.com/html/...edia/Motion.pdf (page 19)

One factor that probably pushes AA's averages close to the topped-out base pay is that so many of AA's FAs are topped out. The term "and wages" probably captures the extras (including the per diem) paid to FAs.

Perhaps the average AA flies more than 75 hours.

But then again, maybe USAir mis-read the data. If they did, someone is bound to point that out to the court.

 

[jimntx]

One factor that probably pushes AA's averages close to the topped-out base pay is that so many of AA's FAs are topped out. The term "and wages" probably captures the extras (including the per diem) paid to FAs.

Perhaps the average AA flies more than 75 hours.

[post="185580"][/post]​

Actually, only about half the active f/as are at top of scale which makes an average of $47k/yr seem that much more improbable. Oh, and the per diem was only $1.85/hr on domestic BEFORE last year's concessions (I think it was slightly higher in International). As of 01May last year it dropped to $1.50/hr.

Though more f/as are flying "high time" than previously, among those who are at top of scale, a lot are not even flying the 75 hours of a "normal" bid line. They fly the minimum 35 hours a month needed to get the company portion of the benefits paid, and that's it.

 

[firstamendment]

:angry:

The graphs credit the US DOT Form 41 Database for the info and say that it is average salary and wages but excluding benefits:
http://www.transformingusairways.com/html/...edia/Motion.pdf (page 19)

One factor that probably pushes AA's averages close to the topped-out base pay is that so many of AA's FAs are topped out. The term "and wages" probably captures the extras (including the per diem) paid to FAs.

Perhaps the average AA flies more than 75 hours.

But then again, maybe USAir mis-read the data. If they did, someone is bound to point that out to the court.

[post="185580"][/post]​

HELLO!! We f/a's at US Airways have been trying to get the idiots at our company and everyone else for that matter to see the data provided above for a looong time, but NO, all we hear is high labor cost, high labor cost. Our company is like George W. Bush on how well things are going in Iraq. Say it enough and you and your followers will believe it even if it IS bulls###. :angry: