Iraq Collapsing

[southwind]

The government hasnt taken over healthcare.

 
Fixed it for ya'!
 
 
The government hasn't completely taken over healthcare ........YET!

 

[EastUS1]

Yep. They can the k their Bush health care for that.

 
Seriously!? Did you really even say that? NONE of the deaths noted happened under the "enlightened" regime of ANYONE other than your pathetic little o-boy-mama, who's been poorly impersonting a "president" since 2009. Perhaps the pathetic little "pimp-in-chief" should learn something from a previous democrat and, entirely unlike the currently spineless little meat-puppet; an actual Man, Harry Truman, who had placed on his desk a notice that "The Buck Stops Here".
 
P.S. Per Iraq collapsing, and likely some 100,000 to quarter of a million or more Iraqi's to almost certainly be brutally killed via mass murders/etc..well..I can easily understand how such "unpleasant details" are just far too much for any devoted liberals to even begin processing, and that switching things over to banal debates on "health care" must be far more manageable for your sort....Have another unicorn ride or two and all will be "well" again. BTW: Did any of you obama-loving liberals happen to notice the "coincidence" in timing between your little "messiah's" proclamation of timed withdrawal/surrender of Afghanistan and the onset of the attacks in Iraq?...I can assure you that the enemy pays very close attention to such things, even if obama's infantile supporters remain willfully oblivious. The following is going on NOW, and will do nothing but escalate exponentially.
 
http://www.sfgate.com/news/science/article/Militants-post-images-of-mass-killing-in-Iraq-5553625.php

 

[Ms Tree]

Well then I guess we had best dissolve Medicaid then. Numerous studies have been done showing poorer outcomes with Medicaid then private insurance.
 
http://www.healthycal.org/archives/15728
 
From the link provided,
 
" people with Medicaid coverage were twice as likely as privately insured patients to have a number of health risk factors prior to surgery, many more emergency operations, two-thirds more complications after surgery and use 50 percent more hospital resources. The Medicaid patients in the study were also, on average, younger than the privately insured patients studied and twice as likely to smoke. They had higher rates of conditions that can result from poor health habits and make surgery riskier, including diabetes, lung disease and blockages in their blood vessels."
 
I've never seen a story of a person dying the street in this country unless they were run over. Charity Hospitals still do exists and treatment. 

So then yet again what portion of what I earn belongs to you and why?
 

Also from your link
 

Previous studies show that many of the newly insured under Medicaid are likely to seek out medical care they’ve delayed because of a lack of funds, including surgeries.
 

They cannot afford proper health care when uninsured so when medicaid kicks in they are in worse condition and it costs us, the tax payer more.

 

[EastUS1]

Also from your link
 
They cannot afford proper health care when uninsured so when medicaid kicks in they are in worse condition and it costs us, the tax payer more.

 
 
Given this thread is at least supposedly about the collapse of Iraq: How about this link, or can't you even begin to handle ANY aspect of harsh reality? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2658286/Return-Mosul-Days-Iraqs-second-largest-city-fell-feard-Isis-fighters-Iraqis-heading-promise-food-gas-water.html
 
No surprise if you can't. It's never been my experience that devout "liberals" were worth even a single hair off a rat's arse where the real world was concerned.....

 

[Ms Tree]

This argument is a fallacy because we don't let them die the argument used to be realistic. People would get awful bills families would go bankrupt. That argument wasn't scary enough now it's they will die if poor. Funny I remember Sarah Palin getting slammed for the possibility of death panels after ocare was considered ridiculous.

Yet

Your argument is that exactly what they have now and we need to fix it by going to single payer rotflmao who is being unrealistic?

Thought this was about iraq? Oh well

 
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
 
Harvard and the American Journal of Public health disagree with you.
 
Thread drift.  It happens.

 

[PHXConx]

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
 
Harvard and the American Journal of Public health disagree with you.
 
Thread drift.  It happens.

They disagree with my assessment of your argument?

That was fast!

 

[SparrowHawk]

Large numbers of people are not dying in the streets because we are all paying for health care and we are paying for it on an emergency care level. If everyone is forced to carry coverage then everyone pays into the pool and the costs are less. One of the reasons I support single payer.

If everyone is forced to carry coverage we are no longer citizens of the Republic but slaves to the God known as Government..

 

[Ms Tree]

 
Seriously!? Did you really even say that? NONE of the deaths noted happened under the "enlightened" regime of ANYONE other than your pathetic little o-boy-mama, who's been poorly impersonting a "president" since 2009. Perhaps the pathetic little "pimp-in-chief" should learn something from a previous democrat and, entirely unlike the currently spineless little meat-puppet; an actual Man, Harry Truman, who had placed on his desk a notice that "The Buck Stops Here".
 
P.S. Per Iraq collapsing, and likely some 100,000 to quarter of a million or more Iraqi's to almost certainly be brutally killed via mass murders/etc..well..I can easily understand how such "unpleasant details" are just far too much for any devoted liberals to even begin processing, and that switching things over to banal debates on "health care" must be far more manageable for your sort....Have another unicorn ride or two and all will be "well" again. BTW: Did any of you obama-loving liberals happen to notice the "coincidence" in timing between your little "messiah's" proclamation of timed withdrawal/surrender of Afghanistan and the onset of the attacks in Iraq?...I can assure you that the enemy pays very close attention to such things, even if obama's infantile supporters remain willfully oblivious. The following is going on NOW, and will do nothing but escalate exponentially.
 
http://www.sfgate.com/news/science/article/Militants-post-images-of-mass-killing-in-Iraq-5553625.php

The the demise of Iraq has nothing to do with the ill advised invasion and removal of Hussein?  Escalate?  No chit Cpt Obvious.  Iraq will tear it's self apart and if they are lucky they will end up in three territories controlled by their local residents instead of the BS country designed by short sighted bureaucrats.  Nothing is going to fix that. 
 
So how long do you want to stay in Iraq?  How many US lives is Iraq worth?  What more could be done in the next 10 years that could not be done in the first 10?  Do you really believe that peace can be achieved in Iraq?
 
Not you, South, PHX, Knot or any one else has volunteered an answer to that question? 

 

[Ms Tree]

 
 
Given this thread is at least supposedly about the collapse of Iraq: How about this link, or can't you even begin to handle ANY aspect of harsh reality? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2658286/Return-Mosul-Days-Iraqs-second-largest-city-fell-feard-Isis-fighters-Iraqis-heading-promise-food-gas-water.html
 
No surprise if you can't. It's never been my experience that devout "liberals" were worth even a single hair off a rat's arse where the real world was concerned.....

So why is our problem?

 

[Ms Tree]

They disagree with my assessment of your argument?

That was fast!

Sure, how ever you want to read it.

 

[Ms Tree]

If everyone is forced to carry coverage we are no longer citizens of the Republic but slaves to the God known as Government..

I'm OK with that.

 

[SparrowHawk]

When you engage in interventionist policies as the US has for 60 plus years do not be surprised that others hate you and try to kill you.

 

[EastUS1]

When you engage in interventionist policies as the US has for 60 plus years do not be surprised that others hate you and try to kill you.

 
No argument. Where the most obscenely possible immorality exists lies within false promises to found or even constructed "allies"...who are now being murdered in the many, many thousands. Killing people/war should NEVER be engaged in for national "sport", EVER!...but, once begun: it should never be ended without the enemy on his knees and begging for mercy....Period! What we've done as a nation, by NOT doing so these past few decades is nothing short of an obscene abomination. At this point; why would/should anyone ever "trust" the USA again?...Because they'd like to end up face-down in a ditch to be murdered?

 

[EastUS1]

.....but slaves to the God known as Government..

I'm OK with that.

 
ANY, even the slightest and most pathetic possible semblance of an American, you ain't. We're done here, willing slave.

 

[Ms Tree]

 
No argument. Where the most obscenely possible immorality exists lies within false promises to found or even constructed "allies"...who are now being murdered in the many, many thousands. Killing people/war should NEVER be engaged in for national "sport", EVER!...but, once begun: it should never be ended without the enemy on his knees and begging for mercy....Period! What we've done as a nation, by NOT doing so these past few decades is nothing short of an obscene abomination. At this point; why would/should anyone ever "trust" the USA again?...Because they'd like to end up face-down in a ditch to be murdered?

So, how many US lives is it worth?
 

.....but slaves to the God known as Government..
 
ANY, even the slightest and most pathetic possible semblance of an American, you ain't. We're done here, willing slave.

Neat thing about the US is that we are all entitle to our opinions.  
 
Willing slave?  lol