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[quote name='Work'n short' post='356441' date='Feb 23 2006, 05:22 PM']Hey Kev...How long has your manager been at your station?How long has he been with nwa?[/quote]

He's been here since '02 (I believe). I think he's been with the company in one form or another since '82-'83 ish....
 
He's been here since '02 (I believe). I think he's been with the company in one form or another since '82-'83 ish....
At least the guy has done some time with the company.Our manager here.."and I use the term manager while grinding my teeth"..has got a whopping 7 months in with the company and was hired off the street here.He adds insult to injury by not knowing how this company works and has treated its employees for years.He still audits ron cleanings and trys to have a "meeting in the box" while were on our unpaid lunch...and best of all....he thinks he's still gunna be here when they give the REAL nwa employees the boot!.Moral is the worst it has been in years and getting worse by the day...your lucky at least your manager knows he's a pawn.
 
Are you kidding? They will find people to work for $9.00 an hour in almost every station in the US. However, getting those people to stay for the long term and avoid a revolving door, to really know how to rebook a passenger, to be an effective CSR! Those people you will not get and the lines will not only be out the door, but around the block, up the street, and into the local Burger King buying food for the flight they are only going to miss because NW has one agent to work fourteen daily flights.

Don't worry however, passengers want to help themself, they don't want to deal with CSR's, they know the differnce between PWM and PDX, or SAN and SFO. But then again the airlines are making it easy to book online because you don't have to know city codes, just how to spell the city.

Now, how do you spell MSP? :lol:
 
[quote name='Work'n short' post='356605' date='Feb 24 2006, 10:27 AM']At least the guy has done some time with the company.Our manager here.."and I use the term manager while grinding my teeth"..has got a whopping 7 months in with the company and was hired off the street here.He adds insult to injury by not knowing how this company works and has treated its employees for years.He still audits ron cleanings and trys to have a "meeting in the box" while were on our unpaid lunch...and best of all....he thinks he's still gunna be here when they give the REAL nwa employees the boot!.Moral is the worst it has been in years and getting worse by the day...your lucky at least your manager knows he's a pawn.[/quote]Our station manager has been around since 89/90 and this is the second station I've worked in with this manager whom also performs RON grooming audits, which I beleive is being ordered by the regional director.

This is just another one of the B/S stunts that management likes to pull just to aggrevate the employees. I mean are they really that concerned about a few peanuts on the floor?
 
....whom also performs RON grooming audits, which I beleive is being ordered by the regional director.

That's correct (at least in the Midwest).

This is just another one of the B/S stunts that management likes to pull just to aggrevate the employees.

Exactly. I don't know about your station, but as the negociations (sp?) have increased/heated up, so have the frequencies of our audits. Ditto the Ramp Safety Audits.


I mean are they really that concerned about a few peanuts on the floor?

I doubt it, but our guy is sure good at acting like he is. His new "hot button" issue is having the correct number of hangers in the F/C closets.....
 
We wondered about the increase in audits too :blink:
Any station so short to have "vendors" come in and help yet?
 
This is just another one of the B/S stunts that management likes to pull just to aggrevate the employees. I mean are they really that concerned about a few peanuts on the floor?
I must say that the vendors do a much better job than the ramp does cleaning the aircraft. There have been many times that I have picked up napkins and cups after the ramp has cleaned the aircraft. They do not call in soiled seat cushions or clogged drains that later get called in by the flight crew during boarding, that is very aggravating. We do not have these problems from the vendor/contract cleaners.

To answer your question yes a few peanuts on the floor makes a difference especially to the passenger sitting in that particular seat.
 
I must say that the vendors do a much better job than the ramp does cleaning the aircraft. There have been many times that I have picked up napkins and cups after the ramp has cleaned the aircraft. They do not call in soiled seat cushions or clogged drains that later get called in by the flight crew during boarding, that is very aggravating. We do not have these problems from the vendor/contract cleaners.

To answer your question yes a few peanuts on the floor makes a difference especially to the passenger sitting in that particular seat.
I wouldnt go that far. go to ALASKA Board and check out how some of their ramper have been doing since the British Based company took over? that is just for beginners. Vendors dont do a good job because they cant keep people due to lack of pay benes and stuff like that compared to the UNIONIZED AGENTS HIRED by the AIRLINES
 
Robbed I'm just calling them as I see it. When you get on a wide body, that aircraft is clean. When you get on a narrow body its not always so clean and very seldom are the lavs wiped down.
 
When you get on a narrow body its not always so clean and very seldom are the lavs wiped down.
...why don't you take it upon yourself to clean those lavs like the good SCAB, I mean it's nothing for you to illegally service a Lav with buckets of blue juice. Get off your posterior and be the hero you claim to be!
 
I must say that the vendors do a much better job than the ramp does cleaning the aircraft. There have been many times that I have picked up napkins and cups after the ramp has cleaned the aircraft.

Nice attempt at flame bait....

I hate to sound like a broken record, but again it all comes down to staffing-or in this case, lack of staffing coupled with lack of time. On most turns you have maybe 1-2 guys and 15 minutes (tops) to "clean" a 757. That's not even taking into account the CSA who's yeling down the aisle to "just pick up the big stuff," because the duty manager is yelling at them. Not even you could clean a plane to the level the customer deserves in that time frame. On a positive note, I would put our RON cleaning program up against any carrier or vendor.
You work dayshift now, go check one out.

Next time before posting such ill-informed tripe, at least try to get the whole story.


They do not call in soiled seat cushions or clogged drains that later get called in by the flight crew during boarding, that is very aggravating. We do not have these problems from the vendor/contract cleaners.

Sounds like the inbound F/A's are dropping the ball....As for vendors, let me relate one of my experiences with them:

In my old station, the was an area where all carriers took their lavs trucks to "unload." At night, the vendors would take all the rags they use to clean cabins (including galleys) spread them out on that same concrete, and wash them off. :shock:

To answer your question yes a few peanuts on the floor makes a difference especially to the passenger sitting in that particular seat.

But a broken bin door covered in red tape doesn't?! Your double standards boggle the mind.




Thread hijack over. We now return you to your normally scheduled topic.
 
Robbed I'm just calling them as I see it. When you get on a wide body, that aircraft is clean. When you get on a narrow body its not always so clean and very seldom are the lavs wiped down.
i will tell you that YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. That means a vendor who cleans those planes at NWA are vendor who pay their people anywheres from 6 to 8 buck an hr, no benefits, no sick no vacation will never ever keep people. therefore the plane will not be cleaned right. when usair outsourced 30 cities, right off the bat, flight crews b!tched about the sh!tty jobs the vendors have been doing. so oncemore it all boils down to this fact:

YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR
 
Nice attempt at flame bait....
No flame baiting intended Kev. Just stating my observations that’s all.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but again it all comes down to staffing-or in this case, lack of staffing coupled with lack of time. On most turns you have maybe 1-2 guys and 15 minutes (tops) to "clean" a 757. That's not even taking into account the CSA who's yelling down the aisle to "just pick up the big stuff," because the duty manager is yelling at them. Not even you could clean a plane to the level the customer deserves in that time frame.
You make some good points but I am not so sure about the staffing part. There are usually four per aircraft and as many as six. Today for sure there were six on one particular 757. I have yet to hear any CSA doing any yelling at all.
On a positive note, I would put our RON cleaning program up against any carrier or vendor.
You work dayshift now, go check one out.
Next time before posting such ill-informed tripe, at least try to get the whole story.
Sometimes I wake the RONs up, I will pay closer attention to the cabins. I am not even going to bother with your tripe comment.
But a broken bin door covered in red tape doesn't?! Your double standards boggle the mind.
The "red tape" shows that we are aware of the problem and that it is being taken care of. Trash strewn on the aircraft is a simple sign of neglect and not caring. No double standards involved here Kev.
 
I must say that the vendors do a much better job than the ramp does cleaning the aircraft. There have been many times that I have picked up napkins and cups after the ramp has cleaned the aircraft. They do not call in soiled seat cushions or clogged drains that later get called in by the flight crew during boarding, that is very aggravating. We do not have these problems from the vendor/contract cleaners.

To answer your question yes a few peanuts on the floor makes a difference especially to the passenger sitting in that particular seat.
You're wrong again 'Cods. When I worked at a line station, the vendors did NOT do a better job than the AA employees. The turnover rate of vendor employees is very high due to the fact that, in this partucular case, they made $7/hr with NO benefits. We would have a number of aircraft that would RON and the vendor decided that they needed 13 employees. Most of the time some would just not show up. One night only 3 out of 13 showed up. As a consequence,when it was time for the first departure, the plane was filthy and the aft lav smelled of vomit because someone from the last flight the day before vomited in it; this made the "kick off" flight very late. You do indeed get what you pay for.
 
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You make some good points but I am not so sure about the staffing part. There are usually four per aircraft and as many as six. Today for sure there were six on one particular 757. I have yet to hear any CSA doing any yelling at all.
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Six guys? Are you kidding? Not where I work. Most days were "lucky" if we have four. You have no idea of what exactly is involved in turning an A/C in 40 mins. Do you?
 

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