Job Openings

[local 12 proud]

You can hate stats all you want (especially the ones that don't support your arguments), but that doesn't make them wrong or incorrect.

...And just because some company bean counter lackey says so does'nt make it fact.

 

[High Iron]

The comparison makes sense to me. AND I doubt the stats are being screwed with in order to make AMFA look bad . . . or the current ops to look good.

You can hate stats all you want (especially the ones that don't support your arguments), but that doesn't make them wrong or incorrect.

"Stats" ( such as they are <_< ) were manipulated downward by gerrymandering or omission.

Reference this statement and a real beaut as a reply:

"

QUOTE(Kev3188 @ Feb 25 2006, 02:21 AM) *

"That's right. NW doesn't cancel flights anymore, they just run them anywhere from 1 hour to 2 days late....

PTO, you haven't been around long enough to notice this, but prior to the strike, NW used to post the ontime percentages everyday in Newswire. They even broke it down by domestic, T-PAC, T-ATL, NRT's operation, and the freighters. Now they only post the completion factor. Why do you suppose that is?"

( Reply by finman ) "It was a very smart move by NWA to only give limited access to the daily operations statistics once the strike began. As soon as that information became fodder for evening news stories concerning the strike, then it was no longer information that could be trusted with the rank and file. The media would have been fed our stats every day by AMFA sympathizers, which obviously would make the PR situation that much more difficult to deal with. It's much easier for NWA to address the issue once a month when the DOT stats are released rather than on a daily basis.

I'm guessing you already knew all of this, but I figured I'd add some light to your quasi-rhetorical question for those who might think otherwise."

 

[local 12 proud]

"Stats" ( such as they are <_< ) were manipulated downward by gerrymandering or omission.

Samuel clemens nailed it..."Figures don't lie, but liars figure".

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Samuel clemens nailed it..."Figures don't lie, but liars figure".

All this time I thought it was "Lies, Damn Lies, and statistics"

 

[PlayTheOdds]

March 2006 -
Maintenance delays per 100 departs - 9.4
Average delay length - 38 minutes

March 2005 -
Maintenance delays per 100 departs - 9.4
Average delay length - 37 minutes
I would say that $200M in annualized labor savings were well worth it, as obviously the performance has not sufferred with the replacement workforce.

Your numbers are right on finman and the DOT Stats back them up. The March DOT Stats are not out yet so I used February’s as a comparison. It is really uncanny how close they are considering the DOT stats are for on time arrivals compared to departures and consider all delays, not just maintenance. We are looking at the performance of the company here and if things were as bad for the Scabs as these guys claim there would be a huge difference in the numbers. So I think this compliments your stats very nicely.

On time arrivals for Feb,2005---------76.3% AMFA
On time arrivals for Feb,2006---------75.6% Scabs

These are DOT Stats. If you would like the Link ask Hackman.

 

[local 12 proud]

Your numbers are right on finman and the DOT Stats back them up. The March DOT Stats are not out yet so I used February’s as a comparison. It is really uncanny how close they are considering the DOT stats are for on time arrivals compared to departures and consider all delays, not just maintenance. We are looking at the performance of the company here and if things were as bad for the Scabs as these guys claim there would be a huge difference in the numbers. So I think this compliments your stats very nicely.

On time arrivals for Feb,2005---------76.3% AMFA
On time arrivals for Feb,2006---------75.6% Scabs

These are DOT Stats. If you would like the Link ask Hackman.

Give me a break PTO, im sure finman knows how the DOT collects its data but you and the fanatic need to educate yourself a bit. You see the bean counter does'nt bother to inform the board that in fact the fox is in charge of guarding the hen house.

here is what the DOT Bureau of Transportation Statistics has to say about data collection:

Existing Air Transport Data and Data Programs:
----------------------------------------------------------
The four categories of airline statistics—financial, operational and traffic, pricing and fees, and safety—provide different levels of detail in terms of coverage, periodicity, and focus. The federal government collects the majority of publicly available aggregated airline statistics directly from air carriers.

The airlines are responsible for reporting the "factual" numbers... 😉

 

[Don Smith]

Give me a break PTO, im sure finman knows how the DOT collects its data but you and the fanatic need to educate yourself a bit. You see the bean counter does'nt bother to inform the board that in fact the fox is in charge of guarding the hen house.

here is what the DOT Bureau of Transportation Statistics has to say about data collection:

Existing Air Transport Data and Data Programs:
----------------------------------------------------------
The four categories of airline statistics—financial, operational and traffic, pricing and fees, and safety—provide different levels of detail in terms of coverage, periodicity, and focus. The federal government collects the majority of publicly available aggregated airline statistics directly from air carriers.

Hey Local...remember in the early 90s when nwa added 15 minutes to every flight? They became the instant "on-time" airline. They even came to DCA to make a commercial about their "new" performance...what a joke.

The airlines are responsible for reporting the "factual" numbers... 😉

 

[robbedagain]

PTO if you used Feb's numbers for example, due to march not comin out, this is May, I highly doubt you will ever see march, april or even the rest of this yrs. SCAB AIR is embarrassed by its own poor statistics. Of course, SCAB AIR will most likely make up good numbers just to make them selves look good to the DOT.

 

[Don Smith]

The truth is that they can bend it anyway they want and the flying public doesn't even read it. I imagine the sound the public hears when stats are mentioned is Charlie Brown's mom...blah blah blah blah. I'm certain that 100% of nwa's current passengers are experiencing delays of some sort but if you're flying out of MSP or DTW the choices are limited. But lots of flyers have chosen NOT to fly nwa from other cities...you can read it on the other message boards. They're fed up.

 

[local 12 proud]

lots of flyers have chosen NOT to fly nwa from other cities...you can read it on the other message boards. They're fed up.

Yea go to Google, type in " Northwest Airlines Sucks"...

ROTFLMAO...

 

[Don Smith]

Yea go to Google, type in " Northwest Airlines Sucks"...

ROTFLMAO...

Thanks but I don't really have the time to read through ten million hits. LOL

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

On time arrivals for Feb,2005---------76.3% AMFA
On time arrivals for Feb,2006---------75.6% Scabs


True? How many a/c were maintained by AMFA AMTs?
How many a/c are "maintained" by SCABS?

Here are a few stats for you Coward:

Aircraft maintained by skilled AMFA AMTs that possess knowledge, skill & integrity: 100%

Aircraft "maintained" by moralless, cowardly SCABS: 100 %

WOW! The numbers don't lie, do they Coward.

 

[Hackman]

You do not know just how right you are here dc3fanatic. It doesn't even have to be stats from the company either any stats showing improvement in NWA operations are bogus stats to these guys. When Hackman was screaming "NWA IS DEAD LAST!!!" Then posted the DOT Stats to prove his point not one unionist said a word about them possibly being bogus stats. I myself couldn't contest the facts, I simply stated "The numbers will go up." I patiently waited for the following months stats where I was sure the numbers would go up then asked Hackman to post the current stats. Do you think he would? Hell no, he just insulted me and claimed he didn’t know what I was talking about and posted some riff-raff. I had to do it for him. Then when I posted them they were "Just a numbers game and meant nothing." If Stats do not support what the unionist want they will indeed denounce them in a heartbeat even if they had used the same source and stats to support a previous claim. Why don't you just ask Hackman for the current DOT Stats?

Damn, that PlaytheCods scab panty knot must be a tight one....ahhhh YAWN 🙂

 

[robbedagain]

On time arrivals for Feb,2005---------76.3% AMFA
On time arrivals for Feb,2006---------75.6% Scabs
True? How many a/c were maintained by AMFA AMTs?
How many a/c are "maintained" by SCABS?

Here are a few stats for you Coward:

Aircraft maintained by skilled AMFA AMTs that possess knowledge, skill & integrity: 100%

Aircraft "maintained" by moralless, cowardly SCABS: 100 %

WOW! The numbers don't lie, do they Coward.

now we know why that one lowly life scab cant find the numbers! you found them and they sure are disturbing! 😛

 

[finman]

Your numbers are right on finman and the DOT Stats back them up. The March DOT Stats are not out yet so I used February’s as a comparison. It is really uncanny how close they are considering the DOT stats are for on time arrivals compared to departures and consider all delays, not just maintenance. We are looking at the performance of the company here and if things were as bad for the Scabs as these guys claim there would be a huge difference in the numbers. So I think this compliments your stats very nicely.

On time arrivals for Feb,2005---------76.3% AMFA
On time arrivals for Feb,2006---------75.6% Scabs

These are DOT Stats. If you would like the Link ask Hackman.

PTO,

Here are the March summary stats.

North America DOT A14:

March 2006 - 79.2%
March 2005 - 76.6

North America D0 (shown to mitigate YOY differences in Sked Block times)

March 2006 - 65.5
March 2005 - 65.6

As a side note to some of the critics of statistics in general, the DOT audits the stats that are sent in by the airlines, and since every flight sked and block time is public information, it is a very easy thing to audit. The penalties for purposely misreporting operating statistics are very punitive, and that combined with the PR disaster that would ensue, make false reporting highly unlikely.