John Kerringan out and Joe Gordon in.

[eolesen]

I always found Conley to be pretty fair and reasonable to deal with as well.

 

[Bob Owens]

I always found Conley to be pretty fair and reasonable to deal with as well.

In other words another AA/TWU company man.

 

[Boomer]

I always found Conley to be pretty fair and reasonable to deal with as well.

Conley is a koolaid drinker.

 

[Hackman]

I always found Conley to be pretty fair and reasonable to deal with as well.

I bet he agreed with everything you said. The company loves it's twu!!!!! :down:

 

[eolesen]

Whatever.

 

[Hackman]

Whatever...yes. Whatever the company wants, the twu gives, very correct. The reason that AA fought the AMFA drive with false numbers, lies to the NMB, and the like.

Must keep it's twu lapdog at all costs, whatever it takes.

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ------- Eric, now that you no longer work for AA, would you at least admit that AA management, and the TWU leadership, have a "unique" relationship? And yes, I know Management's golden rule witch is "never burn any bridges"!---- 😉

 

[The Goose]

Where would we go?

I've been asking that very question for a long time; all I've gotten for my trouble is rhetoric and professions of never-ending love for del Femine's dues machine and alternately, the Teamsters.

I feel the main reason amfa made any representational inroads at all is because it wasn't subject to the AFL-CIO's no-raid policies, not so much that there was a better product offered. I believe the Teamsters saw this and capitalized on it, disaffiliating from the AFL-CIO (their stated reason was they weren't happy with the AFL-CIO's organizing rules). They're now free to "raid" also, if you will. Not sure if that's a better choice - to modify one of amfa's campaign sayings, "Why drive the truck when you can fly?"

I agree - where is there to go?

 

[Boomer]

I've been asking that very question for a long time; all I've gotten for my trouble is rhetoric and professions of never-ending love for del Femine's dues machine and alternately, the Teamsters.

I feel the main reason amfa made any representational inroads at all is because it wasn't subject to the AFL-CIO's no-raid policies, not so much that there was a better product offered. I believe the Teamsters saw this and capitalized on it, disaffiliating from the AFL-CIO (their stated reason was they weren't happy with the AFL-CIO's organizing rules). They're now free to "raid" also, if you will. Not sure if that's a better choice - to modify one of amfa's campaign sayings, "Why drive the truck when you can fly?"

I agree - where is there to go?

We have to craft our own way.

Actually requiring democracy, accountability and professionalism in a proposed AFL-CIO Standalone Union would be a start, although I question the value of AFL-CIO affiliation.

 

[TWU-GOTTA-GO]

We have to craft our own way.

Actually requiring democracy, accountability and professionalism in a proposed AFL-CIO Standalone Union would be a start, although I question the value of AFL-CIO affiliation.

That can't be done because of the AFL-CIO "No-Raid" clause.

 

[eolesen]

<_< ------- Eric, now that you no longer work for AA, would you at least admit that AA management, and the TWU leadership, have a "unique" relationship? And yes, I know Management's golden rule witch is "never burn any bridges"!---- 😉

No, I don't think it's all that unique. The only thing unique about it is that the leaders for the TWU are a modern day Politburo and are therefore don't have to worry about being voted out of office the way that the APA and APFA officers seem to be every time their leadership realizes that it takes both sides working together to actually be successful. And make no mistake -- neither side wins when the other side is on a crusade...

I think there's also a problem with having too many FSC's in positions of power with regard to the mechanics. FSC's know that absent the 2555 rule, they're easily replaceable. So my opinion is that they won't push things to where the company decides that that NWA and ALK had it right when they sought to outsource as much of the ramp operation as they possibly can. ALK bamboozled the IAM with a cost-plus clause, and NWA did their dirty work in court. AMR's negotiators are smarter than the other two combined...

 

[Wretched Wrench]

AMR's negotiators are smarter than the other two combined...

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In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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[ch53D]

I've been asking that very question for a long time; all I've gotten for my trouble is rhetoric and professions of never-ending love for del Femine's dues machine and alternately, the Teamsters.

I feel the main reason amfa made any representational inroads at all is because it wasn't subject to the AFL-CIO's no-raid policies, not so much that there was a better product offered. I believe the Teamsters saw this and capitalized on it, disaffiliating from the AFL-CIO (their stated reason was they weren't happy with the AFL-CIO's organizing rules). They're now free to "raid" also, if you will. Not sure if that's a better choice - to modify one of amfa's campaign sayings, "Why drive the truck when you can fly?"

I agree - where is there to go?

Goose, you keep bringing up the fact that we basically need to do something. Most of us AMFA guys are willing to try to something different.

We’ve tried to get the Teamsters involved with us and they really don’t seem interested with us. It’s my belief that they have an agreement with the AFL-CIO that they will not raid another AFL-CIO union. I believe it’s for political reasons, like one day they might want to rejoin the AFL-CIO and don’t want to burn that bridge. I’ll stand corrected but the last time they did this, I don’t recall any raids.

This leaves us with only one other option and that’s our own union. Are you willing to step up and help us get the ball rolling? Hell you just might even like us AMFA boys and the hate we have towards the TWU.

 

[eolesen]

Yep. That's the same conclusion that APA and APFA came to decades ago, for slightly different reasons, but it seems to have suited them just fine. Likewise for SWAPA. Why hitch your wagon to a national organization that doesn't put your interests first?

 

[ch53D]

Yep. That's the same conclusion that APA and APFA came to decades ago, for slightly different reasons, but it seems to have suited them just fine. Likewise for SWAPA. Why hitch your wagon to a national organization that doesn't put your interests first?

I agree!!!!!!!!!!!