KKK - This Day In History
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Ms Tree
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Veritas777 said:
Lets get this straight. You believe that republicans in pre-1950/60s US are the same as republicans to day and the same of Dems?
To believe that would be to believe that in the south, a region that supported slavery and fought a war to keep slavery in place, all the people were democrats at the time (we support slavery after all right) and that sometime after the 1950/60' all these dems moved out of the south (and went where???) and were replaced by republicans who now do not believe in racism (have you looked at the racial/gender make up of the Congress lately?)? When did this mass movement of people happen in the South?
This line of BS has been debunked so many times it is not even worthy of a discussion but since you seem to be new here I guess we have to go over it one more time.
So please explain where this Dem majority in the south went and where did all these republicans come from?
I think it is funny how you overlook the fact that in the 1800's the republicans of the times were in favor of government promoting growth by financing infrastructure, education and the dems of the times were in favor of a smaller government and low taxes.
In 1964, Johnson made civil rights part of the Dem platform and if you look at voting records of the time, the southern Dem party started to hemorrhage whites. George Wallace ran in 1968. Who do you think supported him?
Then there was Nixon and the "southern Strategy". The idea was to use race as a wedge issue with southern whites. Ken Mehlman (look him up for your self) even admitted that it wa wrong of the republican party to do this when he spoke in front of the NAACP in 2005.
At the time that Mehlman gave that speech there were 43 members of the Congressional black caucus. Guess how many were republicans (you can look that one up too)?
As a side note, why aren't republicans up in arms when Bush had the NAACP investigated by the IRS shortly after the NAACP criticized him?
Feel free to go on believing crap from the OP, the reality is quite different and you will only be made a fool of when you try and promote it unless you are talking to people like Dell, South, Pete and others of like mind who do not possess the critical thinking skills to research it and figure out why it is the positions of the parties changed over a period of 100+ years.
That was then
As we all know, the makeup of the parties has changed considerably since then
Especially in the south
This is now
There is always a lesson or three in history, but the lesson in this one isn't what The Dude is making it out to be.
As we all know, the makeup of the parties has changed considerably since then
Especially in the south
This is now
There is always a lesson or three in history, but the lesson in this one isn't what The Dude is making it out to be.
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And here in the modern world.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/06/07/12107097-steve-smith-reputed-white-supremacist-causes-stir-by-winning-election-to-pennsylvania-county-gop-seat?lite
Lets not forget David Duke getting the GOP nomination for the governors race in Louisiana back in the early nineties. What's interesting about it while he did not win his message seems to resonate within the Louisiana GOP.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/01/us/politics/much-of-david-dukes-91-campaign-is-now-in-louisiana-mainstream.html?_r=0
Of course there's the modern day voter ID laws concocted to battle a problem that does not exist that in reality are aimed at poor blacks since they are more likely not to have said ID.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/06/07/12107097-steve-smith-reputed-white-supremacist-causes-stir-by-winning-election-to-pennsylvania-county-gop-seat?lite
Lets not forget David Duke getting the GOP nomination for the governors race in Louisiana back in the early nineties. What's interesting about it while he did not win his message seems to resonate within the Louisiana GOP.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/01/us/politics/much-of-david-dukes-91-campaign-is-now-in-louisiana-mainstream.html?_r=0
Of course there's the modern day voter ID laws concocted to battle a problem that does not exist that in reality are aimed at poor blacks since they are more likely not to have said ID.
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Ms Tree said:
Wiki:
The South becomes Republican: 1964-2000
For nearly a century after Reconstruction, the white South strongly identified with the Democratic Party. The region was called the Solid South. Republicans controlled parts of the mountains districts and they competed for statewide office in the border states. Before 1948, southern Democrats believed that their party, with its respect for states' rights and appreciation of traditional southern values, was the defender of the southern way of life. Southern Democrats warned against aggressive designs on the part of Northern liberals and Republicans and civil rights activists whom they denounced as "outside agitators."
The adoption of the first civil rights plank by the 1948 convention and President Harry S. Truman's Executive Order 9981, which provided for equal treatment and opportunity for African-American servicemen, opened a wedge between the northern and southern wings of the party.[12] By 1952, however, the brief Dixiecrat revolt was over, and the segregationist senator was named the vice presidential candidate. By the late 1950s the national Democratic Party again began to embrace the civil rights movement, and the old argument that Southern whites had to vote Democratic to protect segregation grew weaker. Modernization had brought factories, national businesses, and larger, more cosmopolitan cities such as Atlanta, Dallas, Charlotte, and Houston to the South, as well as millions of migrants from the North and more opportunities for higher education. They did not bring a heritage of racial segregation, and instead gave priority to modernization and economic growth.[13]
Integration and the civil rights movement caused enormous controversy in the white South, with many attacking it as a violation of states' rights. School segregation was outlawed by the Supreme Court in 1954, but compliance was very slow in much of the region. The Civil Rights act of 1964 and The Voting Rights Act of 1965 were passed by bipartisan majorities of northern congressmen. Only a small die-hard element resisted, led by Democratic governors Lester Maddox of Georgia, and especially George Wallace of Alabama. These populist governors appealed to a less-educated, blue-collar electorate that on economic grounds favored the Democratic Party, but opposed desegregation.
The passage of civil rights legislation meant that the Democratic Party could no longer pose as the champion of protection for southern segregation. That freed conservative white Southerners from the possibility of voting for Republican presidential candidates from 1964-80. They continued to vote heavily for Democrats in state and local offices.[14][15] Meanwhile, newly enfranchised black voters began supporting Democratic candidates at the 80-90-percent levels, producing Democratic leaders such as Julian Bond and John Lewis of Georgia, and Barbara Jordan of Texas. Just as Martin Luther King had promised, integration had brought about a new day in Southern politics.[16]
By the 1990s Republicans were starting to win elections at the statewide and local level throughout the South. By 2014, the region was heavily Republican at the local state and national level. A key element in the change was the transformation of evangelical white Protestants in the south from a largely nonpolitical approach to a heavily Republican commitment. Pew pollsters reported that, "In the late 1980s, white evangelicals in the South were still mostly wedded to the Democratic Party while evangelicals outside the South were more aligned with the GOP. But over the course of the next decade or so, the GOP made gains among white Southerners generally and evangelicals in particular, virtually eliminating this regional disparity."[17] Exit polls in the 2004 presidential election showed that Bush led Kerry by 70–30% among Southern whites, who comprised 71% of the voters. Kerry had a 90–9 lead among the 18% of Southern voters who were black. One-third of the Southern voters said they were white evangelicals; they voted for Bush by 80–20.[18]
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Have you ever heard of the Whig party? The Whig party was created in 1834 and was rivals of the Democrat party.
The Whig party supported the supremacy of Congress over the Presidency and favored a program of modernization, banking and economic protectionism to stimulate manufacturing. It appealed to entrepreneurs and planters, but had few subsistence farmers or unskilled workers. It included many active Protestants, and voiced a moralistic opposition to the Jacksonian Indian removal policies (sound familiar?).
The Democratic Party was a proponent for farmers across the country, urban workers, and new immigrants. It was especially attractive to Irish immigrants who increasingly controlled the party machinery in the cities. The party was much less attractive to businessmen, plantation owners, Evangelical Protestants, and social reformers. The party advocated westward expansion, Manifest Destiny, greater equality among all white men, and opposition to the national banks (sound familiar?).
Both parties worked hard to build grass roots organization to maximize voter turnout. The Democrat Party prevailed during the Presidential elections between 1832 and 1860 (with the exception of the 1840 and 1848 elections) and voted in Presidents Jackson, Van Buren, Polk, Pierce and Buchanan.
The Democrats never left the south! In 1860 with the election of Abraham Lincoln, the Whig party separated from the south in order to avoid secessionism over the slavery issue and moved north and joined the Constitutional Union Party. From 1860 to 1932 the Democrats would only elect 2 Presidents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Democratic_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_Party_(United_States)
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Lets also not forget David Duke being in the Democratic Party presidential primaries in 1988. What's interesting about it while he did not win his message seems to resonate within the Democratic Party.
Lets also not forget that Robert Byrd, ex-KKK member and longest serving senator in American history was overwhelmingly embraced by the Democratic Party.
As you are being told that there are voter ID laws concocted to battle a problem that doesnt exist we are reminded that dead people cant vote . . . or can they?
http://www.progressivestoday.com/clinton-campaign-lawyer-charged-with-registering-dead-people-to-vote/
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