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Lets "put up...or SHUT UP" about the fiscal cliff, shall we !

I like how Norquist was a featured guest on CNN along with many other Congress people. As soon as he said he accepted the deal, all the Republicans started saying the same thing. They are blatantly beholden to the lobbyist.
 
I like how Norquist was a featured guest on CNN along with many other Congress people. As soon as he said he accepted the deal, all the Republicans started saying the same thing. They are blatantly beholden to the lobbyist.

Same way Obama's boy Soros gets a lot of things done.
 
I like how Norquist was a featured guest on CNN along with many other Congress people. As soon as he said he accepted the deal, all the Republicans started saying the same thing. They are blatantly beholden to the lobbyist.

Norquist was just saving face.

He knew he had lost.
 
Same way Obama's boy Soros gets a lot of things done.
How many Democrats have signed a pledge of allegiance with a lobbyist group logo letterhead on it?

http://www.atr.org/userfiles/Congressional_pledge(1).pdf

Now, how many Republicans have signed one of the above with a lobbyist group letterhead on it (Run by Norquist)?

http://s3.amazonaws.com/atrfiles/files/files/091411-federalpledgesigners.pdf
 
How many Democrats have signed a pledge of allegiance with a lobbyist group logo letterhead on it?

http://www.atr.org/u...sional_pledge(1).pdf

Now, how many Republicans have signed one of the above with a lobbyist group letterhead on it (Run by Norquist)?

http://s3.amazonaws....edgesigners.pdf

About 200 Dude.....

More than 200 Democrats have signed onto a pledge to protect Social Security from any interference, amid some Republican calls for partial privatization of the entitlement program.

The Progressive Change Campaign Committee circulated the petition and set up the web site socialsecurityprotectors.com to promote it.

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BTW- your Pdf link failed.
 
About 200 Dude.....

BTW- your Pdf link failed.
The site would not let the link go as is. You can cut/paste it and it will show his pledge with the lobby letterhead.

I only found 123 (yeah, only) on that Social Security one. I had not seen that one. They are as bad as all the Republicans IMHO.

Nice commentary here:

"Commentary: Official Oath, Pledge Should Be Enough
When members of Congress begin their terms in office, they raise their right hands and say this: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God.”

That and the Pledge of Allegiance ought to pretty much cover it.

Unfortunately, in recent years, outside groups have been pressing members of Congress to make other pledges. Two have been quite effective in hamstringing public officials: The Taxpayer Protection Pledge and the Social Security Protectors pledge. More than 80 percent of the members of Congress have signed one or the other.

The Taxpayer Protection Pledge, pushed by Americans for Tax Reform, requires signers to promise to resist any attempts to raise taxes, and if they vote to close deductions, they will lower rates by a corresponding amount so that the government doesn’t collect any extra money.

It’s basically a Republican thing. It has been signed by 276 members including four Arkansans: Rep. Rick Crawford, Rep. Tim Griffin, Rep. Steve Womack and Sen. John Boozman. Tom Cotton, the Republican candidate in Arkansas’ 4th District, also has signed it.

Americans for Tax Reform’s leader, Grover Norquist, plays hardball and allows no deviation no matter the situation. Earlier this year, Crawford proposed a 5 percent tax increase on million-dollar earners in exchange for something he thought more important, a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. Let’s just say he wasn’t rewarded for his willingness to give a little in order to get a little.

Then there’s the Social Security Protectors pledge, pushed by the Progressive Change Campaign Committee. It’s for Democrats. Its 123 signers, including Arkansas’ Rep. Mike Ross from the 4th District, have promised never to cut any Social Security benefits, including raising the retirement age, and also to oppose privatizing the program in any way."
 
Lobbying.....other countries call it graft, corruption, here its SOP.

Congress should listen to the needs of its constituents but this is way out of hand anymore.
 
The solution is transparency. Anyone should be able to lobby for any issue they choose.

I think you'd see a hell of a lot less BS if the only thing Congress had to do was keep & post accurate records of who they meet with, who donates to them (Directly & Indirectly) and have that information published on the web.

Investigative reporters could then help hold these pricks accountable. When you shine a light on Cockroahes they scurry into the darkness. No darkness = No cockroaches. Could it be that simple?
 
I'd like to see a law that requires a voter ID card for anyone lobbying Congress. Same requirement for campaign donations. I'd also like to see a ban on PAC's
 
Well being a Libertarian I look for solutions that are:

Effective

Preserve the most amount of Liberty as possible.

With that in mind we should look at creating a playing field that is wide open in terms of who can do what, with the control being any US Citizen, foreign national, member of the media can view their actions, activities and where funds come from and decide for themselves.
 
So I guess we avoided disaster by building a bridge over the fiscal cliff 🙄

Last minute deal, woo-hoo B)

Now we feel like WE won. Who are the WE? WE are us and us always wins :lol:

So will we see our taxes raised OR will we create new taxes 😱

Either way, thank you for coming and I hope you didn't become a lemming and jump off the fiscal cliff 🙄

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/31/politics/fiscal-cliff/index.html
 
I hope we take it over the cliff.

concern-over-fiscal-cliff-spreads-nationwide-2-84672.jpg


Last one over is a Political Parasite.
 

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