Man-oh-man Poor New Orleans
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I don't mean in any way for this to sound cold-hearted, but the best possible outcome for Rita is having it strike the same area as Katrinia...N.O. et al is already wiped, better to hit was is already destroyed, than to cause even more loss elsewhere.
Despite your intentions, it is a cold-hearted thing to say. There are so many people working so hard to put that city back together for the millions of people that call it home, I have to heartily disagree with your statement. I pray that the hurricane spares N.O. as much as possible. Terrible, terrible, terrible.
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USAir757 said:
The fact that it is terrible is beyond dispute, however, the question is should we rebuild the city with tax money? Rita only proves the next hurricane is a question of when and not if.
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USAir757 said:
Wrong. The money will end up in the hands of Halliburton, KBR (Halliburton subsidiary) and Bechtel. Big contributors to the GOP all. See this week's Newsweek for the money trail.
And, the money is coming from China and Japan who continue to buy the promissory notes that the current administration keeps issuing to pay for Iraq, Katrina, and those tax cuts for the wealthy. WE are not going to pay for it. Your children and your grandchildren are going to pay for it.
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Read his lips - no new taxes...read them even more...no ending the promised future tax cuts. At the rate this borrow and spend administration is going, we'll soon be listing the costs for rebuilding New Orleans in yen.USAir757 said:
Perhaps I should have clarified the "we" as being "us as Americans"... my point being that New Orleans WILL be rebuilt, and it will ultimately come from tax-payer dollars. Should I have said let's get the ol' U.S.of A. Visa Card out again?
I agree with you. That's why I'm saying we need to increase taxes, and trim some seriously heavy fat off our programs, and then we can minimize what we have to leverage to take care of the rebuilding. Everyone needs to pay one way or another, some in cash vis-a-vis increased taxes, others in cut programs like cutting welfare checks in half next year. Something's gotta give. You know I recently read that since our country has existed, roughly every 20 years or so our country has a financial panic.... this is just another one.
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If you think programs such as welfare will be cut you are living on another planet. neither party will touch that one with a ten foot pole, it would be political suicide!
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jimntx said:
Just a couple of comments.
1. The growth in the US deficit is not necessarily good or bad. That would depend on future growth prospects for the US economy. I would tend to agree that I am unsure if the current course of US fiscal policy is wise, but then again, I have been expecting the dollar to fall more and it hasn't. It appears that for all the US's faults, the Euro and Yen look decidely unattractive as reserve currencies and the economies of these two regions anemic at best. And in the long-term, Europe and Japan has a demographic time bomb waiting for them that the US does not.
2. I am struck by the odd fixation people have for Haliburton. I don't know anyone that works there, but I don't think they are evil people.
3. Citing Newsweek as an unbiased source is a bit rich. You can look at the breakdown of donations on http://www.opensecrets.org and see all forms of distributions of donations. Unsurprisingly, 80% of Transport Union donations go to Democrats. And if you want to selectively cite situations where donations influenced power, just look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich
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"And if you want to selectively cite situations where donations influenced power, just look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich"
While I am offended by the pardon of Rich, it pales on comparison to the billoins on no bid contracts doled out in exchance for pissant contibutions. ( look into duke + MZM ) Oh, and while I don't forgive him, Clinton at least admitted it was a mistake and apologized.
So you could wast your time reading about rich, but you could also to a google for abramoff, or better yet abramoff+rove.
My point is these people currenty in power now ran on a platform of ethics and morality. They lied. They riased pay for play to a science.
Maybe you just dont care cuase you happen to agree with thier politics?
While I am offended by the pardon of Rich, it pales on comparison to the billoins on no bid contracts doled out in exchance for pissant contibutions. ( look into duke + MZM ) Oh, and while I don't forgive him, Clinton at least admitted it was a mistake and apologized.
So you could wast your time reading about rich, but you could also to a google for abramoff, or better yet abramoff+rove.
My point is these people currenty in power now ran on a platform of ethics and morality. They lied. They riased pay for play to a science.
Maybe you just dont care cuase you happen to agree with thier politics?
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The Drunken Duck said:
Are you now? First off, it's spelled with 2 Ls. You don't have a problem with Halliburton receiving billions of dollars in no-bid contracts for "reconstruction" in Iraq? Particularly, since the GAO has said there are at least $500 million in improper, unsubstantiated charges submitted to the government by Halliburton for payment.
Halliburton has already received several million dollars in no-bid contracts for the reconstruction in Louisiana.
Halliburton is still trying to weasel out of a court judgement it inherited when it bought KBR. Seems KBR exposed some of its employees to asbestos for years and falsified govt. records regarding same. Now, Halliburton doesn't want to pay the hospital bills for the employees who have developed asbestos-related cancers and other illnesses. They are using a variation of the same argument that Shrub used when he refused to sign the Kyoto accords on global warming--"cancer caused by asbestos is voodoo science."
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USAir757 said:
I'm sure that you are aware that Congress and our esteemed President are planning to go ahead and pass the estate tax cut--a tax cut that will benefit only the richest 250 families in this country. The lie about family farms being lost to estate taxes is just that--a lie. The GOP has never been able to produce a single, tangible example of this happening.
Sen. John McCain--one of our true American heroes, and not just for his military service--was interviewed on one of the Sunday morning news talk shows today. He pointed out that Ronald Reagan once vetoed a budget bill because it had 167 "earmarked" expenditures in it. "Earmarked expenditures" is Congress-speak for pork barrel legislation that the members have agreed not to touch. "I will vote for your multi-million dollar Central Post office building in a town of 25,000 in your district if you vote for my bridge to nowhere in my district."
The current budget has almost 6,800 "earmarked" expenditures.
By the way if you totally eliminated all cash welfare programs from the Federal budget, you would reduce the budget by less than 2%.
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