OK, to our flight attendants out there, we at AWA DO get paid if a trip is canceled. They can (and do sometimes) put us on GR (guarantee reserve) and if there isn't a trip that fits the parameters, we get GT'd (guarantee trip credit) and get to go home. Something we need to preserve in the merged contract!!!USA320Pilot said:
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Big Daddy,
You're in no position to make these decisions.
You should feel shame for what your team does to these employees, but after 3.6 years of dealing with you...you don't feel a thing. Never expected you to.
Can't believe we were raised with the same up bringing....(shaking head) Your yaya would not be proud o fwhat you have become or turned into or away from.
You're in no position to make these decisions.
You should feel shame for what your team does to these employees, but after 3.6 years of dealing with you...you don't feel a thing. Never expected you to.
Can't believe we were raised with the same up bringing....(shaking head) Your yaya would not be proud o fwhat you have become or turned into or away from.
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PITbull said:
I do not think that F/A's or Pilots should be pay protected (and in fact are not contractually entitled in this circumstance) in light of the nature of the cancellations. MSY and Katrina might be "W"'s fault but not USAirways.
Sure, let's get everybody paid for their lost time. Then donate all the money to the American Red Cross or other relief organization of your choice in the name of the good and benevolent employees of USAirways.
Right cause PIT Bull, wrong timing. Welcome back to the line.
Pitbull: As much as pains me to continue a dialogue with someone as classless as to cuss an online stranger, let me try to make my point:
But first, a question: Where in your ramblings have you mentioned your concern for the other unionized US employees based in MSY? You know, your brother and sisters that work the ramp and the gates, some of whom are living in shelters. They are jobless and peniless. Do you think maybe these people deserve a bit of your concern?
Here it is: life isn't fair. You chose to work in a group that negotiates it contract through collective bargaining, in the hopes that it would lead to a comfortable life. You rolled the dice and you lost. The company you worked for went out of business, twice, and when new contracts were negotiated you ended up with a less comfortable life.
The management group chose to put their advanced degrees to work, involve themselves in various facets of the industry and work their way up a very competitive ladder. They negotiate their contracts individually based on merit, performance and ability. Their negotiated severence package was offered by the BOD and approved by the creditors and judge. Perhaps if they thought a retention package was needed to retain flight attendents (or one to compensate F/A's for cancelled flights), they would have drawn one up for them as well.
Life isn't fair. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone lived in a big house in a safe neighborhood and drove a nice car? This is life, accept it and maybe you'll live longer. It's not about what's fair, it's about making choices. You are worth only what you choose to do (by that I mean job, family, church, etc.) You are paid what you are worth, not what is fair, or right, or comfortable, or what is "owed you". You are worth less now and I feel for you, as it certainly wasn't anything you could control. But hey, there's always another path to choose.
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But first, a question: Where in your ramblings have you mentioned your concern for the other unionized US employees based in MSY? You know, your brother and sisters that work the ramp and the gates, some of whom are living in shelters. They are jobless and peniless. Do you think maybe these people deserve a bit of your concern?
Here it is: life isn't fair. You chose to work in a group that negotiates it contract through collective bargaining, in the hopes that it would lead to a comfortable life. You rolled the dice and you lost. The company you worked for went out of business, twice, and when new contracts were negotiated you ended up with a less comfortable life.
The management group chose to put their advanced degrees to work, involve themselves in various facets of the industry and work their way up a very competitive ladder. They negotiate their contracts individually based on merit, performance and ability. Their negotiated severence package was offered by the BOD and approved by the creditors and judge. Perhaps if they thought a retention package was needed to retain flight attendents (or one to compensate F/A's for cancelled flights), they would have drawn one up for them as well.
Life isn't fair. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone lived in a big house in a safe neighborhood and drove a nice car? This is life, accept it and maybe you'll live longer. It's not about what's fair, it's about making choices. You are worth only what you choose to do (by that I mean job, family, church, etc.) You are paid what you are worth, not what is fair, or right, or comfortable, or what is "owed you". You are worth less now and I feel for you, as it certainly wasn't anything you could control. But hey, there's always another path to choose.
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Now that you bring it up "BIG MOUTH", YES.
AFA has been asking the company if WE can donate a vacation day to those employees effected by Katrina....
Guess what their answer is????????? Well I am sure you already know, cause me thinks you are in the "know"....
Too much of a computer processing problem!!!!!!! They told us just donate the cash to Red Cross. :angry: :angry:
AFA has been asking the company if WE can donate a vacation day to those employees effected by Katrina....
Guess what their answer is????????? Well I am sure you already know, cause me thinks you are in the "know"....
Too much of a computer processing problem!!!!!!! They told us just donate the cash to Red Cross. :angry: :angry:
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Those pilots and flight attendants who lost flying due to the New Orleans airport closure have the ability to pick up a different trip, work, and get paid.
Only true if the flying is there. It was not. Instant pay cut for the family involved. Being ready, qualified, and available to fly is part of our job. Adjusting to the business environment is management's job....move the flying if need be. And on top of this, these were the very crewmembers making themselves ready to fly relief trips. What goes around...... Greeter
Only true if the flying is there. It was not. Instant pay cut for the family involved. Being ready, qualified, and available to fly is part of our job. Adjusting to the business environment is management's job....move the flying if need be. And on top of this, these were the very crewmembers making themselves ready to fly relief trips. What goes around...... Greeter
qwerty said:
The unions in this country will never learn from history. AMFA @ NWA should learn a hard lesson from the IAM@USAIR. Your management will get their labor cost down in Chapter 11.
700UW and PITBULL need to accept the fact that they lost. They were left holding the short end of the stick. PITBULL and 700UW are the root cause of why unions need to be dismantle in America. Their mentality does more harm than good. If I were a member of the IAM or AFA, I would be ashamed to be a member.
There is a law firm in DC that has a great motto:"When they roar...we pounce"
I have never met Glass but know associates that have dealt with him and the unions should have known that they could not out smart this guy. He performed his work with precision.
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That is because today's unions base their pay on seniority. This arcadic system is the problem with the unions. It allows slackers to take advantage of the structure. If I were CEO of USAIR, I would get rid of all of the unions. Frank Lorenzo gets a bad name, but he did what was needed to be done to save Eastern, even though the unions ended up destroying the company.
I want to ask the new CEO of USAIR what is he going to do once all of the other bankrupt airlines lower their cost even lower? The current employees better expect more concessions because I vision them in the future if NWA/DL get their way in the courts. You better get ready to open up your wallets.
Are you serious? Are you a self made millionaire or did your Mommy and Daddy hand over the trust fund and spank you into Republicanism?
I thank GOD you aren't the CEO of an airline, let alone mine.
Go ahead, call Doug Parker and tell him what you think. Ask him his business plan. Something tells me you'd be better off talking to another carrier that just may buy your archaic ideals.
As for Eastern, the unions were not responsible for BAD MANAGEMENT, and BAD MANAGEMENT SINKS COMPANIES, NOT WORKERS.
I thank GOD you aren't the CEO of an airline, let alone mine.
Go ahead, call Doug Parker and tell him what you think. Ask him his business plan. Something tells me you'd be better off talking to another carrier that just may buy your archaic ideals.
As for Eastern, the unions were not responsible for BAD MANAGEMENT, and BAD MANAGEMENT SINKS COMPANIES, NOT WORKERS.
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WOW Qwerty you must live on a different planet than I do!
