While Aloha's service is supposed to be right up there with Hawaiian's (good), ATA's is strictly a tight-pitch, minimal-service cattle car (insert US airways comparison here B) ).
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While Aloha's service is supposed to be right up there with Hawaiian's (good), ATA's is strictly a tight-pitch, minimal-service cattle car (insert US airways comparison here B) ).
The question isn't really the Loads to Hawaii, it's the Yield (profit). US's 757 flights out of PHX I would speculate (without actual proof) are heavy with FF award, non-rev and low end economy fare passengers. Using an aircraft on a route with this Yield, which is about 60% heavier (767 versus 757) with almost the same number of seats (including premium Envoy seats), is likely not very cost effective.
US's 767-200ERs were low rated (MTOW) to save $ and cannot likely fly non-stop from CLT and defintely not from PHL to Hawaii.
If US goes with the 787 and leases interim 767-300ERs as substitutes for the 332, or goes with the 350 and continues with the 332 delivery schedule, either of those aircraft could easliy do PHL or CLT - HNL. However, historically most Hawaii flights from the East Coast, including NYC, have not been successful by any airline and were dropped.
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Which is why I said they shouldn't sacrifice atlantic flights
Probably very similar to the Caribbean on the east coast. Of course having as a FF I view such service to "resort" destinations as the carrot to continue flying US. Weight restricted 752s out of the PHX and LAS aren't exactly making me want to bother using FF miles let along pay for the flight (which is why I go Hawaiian or UAL)
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US' product is crap to Hawaii compared to everyone except possible ATA (which says everything).
Then fly some of the A330s. *shrug*
I can't speak to that, but I've seen HNL-EWR for years. Then again apples and oranges because their product isn't absolute crap.
I know someone will probably ask why then can we fly them to ATH from PHL. The answer is that the ATH flights are planned with severe weight restrictions as a trade-off to not serving Athens at all and essentially giving it to CO. Severe weight restricting the 767 to HNL (resulting in less passengers than the 757) would surely be a receipe for failure of the route. You'll also note, US is smart enough not to attempt the flight in Winter. I do not know if Parker has decided to pay Boeing to increase the 767 range capability, which is an option they were considering. I doubt it though, unless someone here knows more about this.
Actually US took a 767 from CLT to LAX to HNL and got the plane certified for HI flights about 10 years ago.
LAX to HNL is shorter distance than CLT to Europe and there are no wieght restrictions from CLT to LGW and FRA.
LAX to HNL is shorter distance than CLT to Europe and there are no wieght restrictions from CLT to LGW and FRA.
The company is probably willing to accept the ATH weight restrictions on the 767 as it will probably be for 1 season as the A-330-200's arrive in 2009 and I would think/hope that PHL-ATH would be a likely first or early route assignement for the new birds.
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WSJ article
Mr. Leahy has been scrambling to persuade Inc. to announce a deal at the show for between 20 and 30 A350s, but airline officials are still balking. According to people familiar with the situation, Airbus has offered to pay US Airways steep penalties if it fails to deliver the A350 on time. The airline's board is scheduled to meet today, but a person familiar with the airline's deliberations say there is no guarantee it will agree to a deal.
Mr. Leahy has been scrambling to persuade Inc. to announce a deal at the show for between 20 and 30 A350s, but airline officials are still balking. According to people familiar with the situation, Airbus has offered to pay US Airways steep penalties if it fails to deliver the A350 on time. The airline's board is scheduled to meet today, but a person familiar with the airline's deliberations say there is no guarantee it will agree to a deal.
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Jim our training dept in PHX is already saying it will be the new Boeing 787. I just hope this mgmt doesn't make another big mistake and go with a unvamped Airbus product. We need to look at the future of the airline, and I think the 787 is going in the right direction. If not, hopefully we will get new orders for the 737-900.
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Just another article - nothing much new....
US Air close on Boeing vs Airbus decision
Decision by the end of April....end of May....end of June....
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US Air close on Boeing vs Airbus decision
Decision by the end of April....end of May....end of June....
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Paris Airshow?
It would not surprise me to see some sort of quick replacement for the 767's out on the east coast. The 767's would be transfered out west to Hawaii, the old 757's could be put out to pasture or completely overhauled and set up for transcon service......nothing surprises me anymore.
