More rumors from Tempe

[N965VJ]

I just worked 3 - 16 hour days on the ramp in PHL never saw a "Kirby"....but then managers don't introduce themselves....they just walk around expecting everyone to know who they are.

He's gonna Clean House.

 

[aredeeyou22]

:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
How do rumors get started?
they're started by the jealous people and
they get mad about somthin'they had,
and sombody else is holdin'
They tell me that temptation
is very hard to resist
these wicked women,
oohh they just persist
maybe you think it's cute,
but girl I'm not impressed
I tell you one time only
with my business please don't mess with you

I'll think I'll write my congressman
and tell him to pass a bill
the next time they catch somebody
started rumors, shoot to kill!

-Timex Social Club

GREAT SONG!!! Forgot about it! Downloading it on Itunes now!

not true. ain't gonna happen. just got an e-mail from scott kirby telling me that it would be ludicrous for us to buy some south american routes right now. i saw him yesterday in phl. he has been there since sunday on the ramp working on the baggage situation. he leaves today to phx.

And what are his feelings on the current baggage situation? Please share.

Thank you.

i just want to say again and clarify that the person who started this rumor to many people is unreliable but not unreliable to me. although many on this board may not agree with the things he sais . i have met him and i truly value many of his insights about our company. i know i will get flamed for saying this but i really do not care. i am not saying that iagree totally with the things he posts but many things are interesting and make you think . the reason i asked scott was not because i doubted him. it was just because i hate rumors and i wanted to get to the bottom of it. like i said before he may or may not have told me the truth . actually here is the e-mail he sent me:
Q:scott,
there is rumor out there about a possible deal with delta to get 4 of
there south american routes. i know you have said that we have no plans to
fly down there yet... but things change . any truth to this. i hate rumors
so i like to go straight to the source.
take care,

-----Original Message-----
From: ETOPS1@aol.com <ETOPS1@aol.com>
To: Scott.Kirby@usairways.com <Scott.Kirby@usairways.com>
Sent: Wed Sep 13 05:43:23 2006
Subject: Re: hey scott

A:I really shouldn't comment on that one but I would say that us just buying
some sa routes would be ludicrous. Leaving phl this afternoon .
I've spent 2 days mostly on the ramp trying to understand our
baggage situation.
scott

Scott, we have been trying to understand the baggage situation in PHL for years. Best of luck to you! LOL

 

[BoeingBoy]

Scott, we have been trying to understand the baggage situation in PHL for years. Best of luck to you! LOL

Heck, it doesn't take a rocket scienties to list the top 3-4 reasons for PHL's baggage problems....

1 - too many RJ that are too often weight restricted. Either the bags don't arrive in PHL on the same RJ as the passenger or they don't leave PHL on the same RJ as the passenger.

2 - ATC/infrastructure/wx - schedules are disrupted too often, leading to missed connections, weight restricted RJ's, etc.

3 - Too many inexperienced people with too little training/supervision mixed with too little working equipment. When you're operating at minimum staffing levels, having just 5-10% of experienced workers supervising new hires means that you're really 10-20% short - the experience folks are supervising and the newhires are working only half as fast due to inexperience.

4 - TSA/baggage delivery (the dreaded "bag belt breakdowns").

You could probbly add

5 - too many affiliate carriers who make a profit as long as they depart. Weight restricted - doesn't matter, they get paid per departure, not per bag. Missed connections - doesn't matter - paid per departure, not per passenger or bag.
Jim

 

[aredeeyou22]

Heck, it doesn't take a rocket scienties to list the top 3-4 reasons for PHL's baggage problems....

1 - too many RJ that are too often weight restricted. Either the bags don't arrive in PHL on the same RJ as the passenger or they don't leave PHL on the same RJ as the passenger.

2 - ATC/infrastructure/wx - schedules are disrupted too often, leading to missed connections, weight restricted RJ's, etc.

3 - Too many inexperienced people with too little training/supervision mixed with too little working equipment. When you're operating at minimum staffing levels, having just 5-10% of experienced workers supervising new hires means that you're really 10-20% short - the experience folks are supervising and the newhires are working only half as fast due to inexperience.

4 - TSA/baggage delivery (the dreaded "bag belt breakdowns").

You could probbly add

5 - too many affiliate carriers who make a profit as long as they depart. Weight restricted - doesn't matter, they get paid per departure, not per bag. Missed connections - doesn't matter - paid per departure, not per passenger or bag.
Jim

Jim,

Agree. It was just funny to see Scott reply that he was "trying to understand".....Sometimes, we need a hearty chuckle around here..... Let's hope they fix it soon!

 

[careerfurloughee]

I wish him well in his endeavors. BUT how do you fire the Mayor's Brother who runs the Baggage belt MTC Company?

How do you get rid of the inherent corruption that is PHL area politics?

What if the persistant rumors of the ramp being "Mobbed up" are true? How do you effect that?

I'm not huge fan of the PHL Ramp as I think there's a higher percentage of what I'll call the wrong attitude than elsewhere, BUT that isn't even half the problem.

So much of what ails PHL Baggage opps IMO is related to the City, Airport Authority, FAA/ATC and other crap that is out of US's control.

Hate to say this but a great way for Scott to get started is to bring a suitcase full of cash for the local pols and such. IMO things improve overnight.

How does SWA do it? Do they use a suitcase full of cash?

 

[ClueByFour]

Scott cannot provide information on strategic transactions due to SEC guidelines

Neither can anyone who could/would tell you.

Or I suppose they could, but somewhere there is an SEC violation on someone's part.

Now if you want to build the rumors up, you missed Kirby's really intriquing comment....

Interesting Corporate Comment?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Interesting Corporate Comment?

Let's just say it could get someone's creative juices flowing....

Jim

 

[Travelpro72]

How does SWA do it? Do they use a suitcase full of cash?

Well I bet the working conditions over at WN are better. I bet they are even paid better. To big an operation in PHL with too few workers that are underpaid. Bottom line most hired have NO time vested and couldn't care less.

 

[PA18]

Heck, it doesn't take a rocket scienties to list the top 3-4 reasons for PHL's baggage problems....

1 - too many RJ that are too often weight restricted. Either the bags don't arrive in PHL on the same RJ as the passenger or they don't leave PHL on the same RJ as the passenger.

2 - ATC/infrastructure/wx - schedules are disrupted too often, leading to missed connections, weight restricted RJ's, etc.

3 - Too many inexperienced people with too little training/supervision mixed with too little working equipment. When you're operating at minimum staffing levels, having just 5-10% of experienced workers supervising new hires means that you're really 10-20% short - the experience folks are supervising and the newhires are working only half as fast due to inexperience.

4 - TSA/baggage delivery (the dreaded "bag belt breakdowns").

You could probbly add

5 - too many affiliate carriers who make a profit as long as they depart. Weight restricted - doesn't matter, they get paid per departure, not per bag. Missed connections - doesn't matter - paid per departure, not per passenger or bag.
Jim

6 - The flawed marketing stategy of funneling every single passenger traveling from the Northeast to the South, the Caribbean, or the West Coast through PHL -- while most other "Legacy Carriers" (AA, UA, DL), as well as some of the "LCC's" (WN, B6), offer non-stop flights between those geographical points.

 

[careerfurloughee]

Well I bet the working conditions over at WN are better. I bet they are even paid better. To big an operation in PHL with too few workers that are underpaid. Bottom line most hired have NO time vested and couldn't care less.

That's my point. A solution exists.

 

[chevyman]

That's my point. A solution exists.

Let's ask the old timer's.

How were things in PHL concerning missed/lost bags/ramp conditions,etc., many years ago when cleaners made $60,000 per year with overtime,no telling how much the other rampers were making. I can remember in 89 even with the Piedmont merger(Northern Division vs Southern Division) things ran a lot smoother.

 

[DCAflyer]

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There's another way to read Scott's response:

A:I really shouldn't comment on that one but I would say that us just buying some sa routes would be ludicrous.

Everybody seems view this as Scott saying nothing is happening with DAL; in fact, in my view, a wholesale denial is conspicuously absent when one reads "I really shouldn't comment on this one..." If there was no merit to the rumors, I think he would simply tell Etops that nothing is happening with Delta.

Instead, Scott says "us just buying sa routes would be ludicrous." The word "just" jumped out at me.

There is a strong likelihood, in my view, that within a year, either Delta or Northwest (or both) will cease to exist, at least as we know them.

With the passage of time, with bankruptcy proceedings not going their way, and with the possibility of exit financing funding drying up, it is unlikely both DAL and NW will emerge from bankruptcy. Moreover, there is also a strong possibility that a UAL/CAL merger will be announced in the coming weeks. While both DAL and NW would like to restructure and operate as stand-alone carriers, that possibility is looking less and less likely. And even if they are able to restructure successfully, they would do so only to continue operations in the same competitive environment.

As far as viable carriers picking at the bones, with a UAL/CAL marriage, that leaves US Airways, American, and possibly Alaska. For us to buy Delta operations en toto would likely bring antitrust issues much like we had with the UAL/U merger debacle unless, of course, liquidation of Delta was emminent. For us to buy Northwest operations en toto would not raise antitrust issues, but would bring very ugly (and possibly insurmountable) labor issues.

I agree with Scott that us just buying some SA routes would be ludicrus. Delta has a lot that could benefit us... so does Northwest. And it would be stupid for our management team to not be actively looking at the possiblities and operational scenarios that could benefit us.

Sometimes when you act like a know it all it just makes you an easy target. Very similar to another (320) on this board. Not insulting just my opinion.

You know, furloughed, Etops has been right about a lot of things on this board.

 

[TheLarkAscending]

There's another way to read Scott's response:

Which is exactly what Jim stated a page and a half prior to you here.

 

[DCAflyer]

information of this magnitude WOULD NOT be shared/ discussed or conveyed to ANY rank and file employee (even You etops, sorry.....don't you have a diaper to change in Orlando?)

Actually, that's not true. Back before CCY was closed, I had several friends who worked in the Palace. You'd be surprised at what I was told on the QT. For example, I knew before Siegel did that he was "resigning." I also know months before the UAL/U merger officially fell through that it was not passing DOJ muster and had a slim-to-none chance of happening.

People, at whatever level, talk to their friends. I am not saying that that is what is happening between Etops and Scott, as I don't believe they have that level of friendship. But again, Etops is right a lot of the time!

Which is exactly what Jim stated a page and a half prior to you here.

I agree that Jim touched on it. It just wasn't really discussed. Everybody is, as usual, getting off topic.

 

[michael707767]

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With the passage of time, with bankruptcy proceedings not going their way, and with the possibility of exit financing funding drying up, it is unlikely both DAL and NW will emerge from bankruptcy.

how do you figure BK proceedings are not going DAL's way? So far everything they have done in BK is going their way. Name one thing that has gone against them?