More twu concessions on the way

[Hackman]

Is Captain Randy Babbit still at ECLAT? He was the one that helped get the APA pilots union a huge fine (50 million?) for having a sick out about 10 years ago? He also showed up to an anti-AMFA meeting a few years ago.

Kind of strange how AA management uses ECLAT to sell the concessions, then twu uses ECLAT to do the same thing. Twu company union uses the same company bought consultant group to sell the same doom and gloom, leading to more concessions? Pull it together....to come together? :down:

I wonder if ECLAT were the ones that told Jimmy Do-little that AA was going straight to Chapt 7 liquidation in 2003? :blink:

So much for the "position of strength" the twu talked about in the upcoming negotiations. I guess it isn't "next time" again, and never will be with the twu company union. 🙄

 

[AMFAMAN]

Is Captain Randy Babbit still at ECLAT? He was the one that helped get the APA pilots union a huge fine (50 million?) for having a sick out about 10 years ago? He also showed up to an anti-AMFA meeting a few years ago.

Actually it was Sanford Dennison, Randy's old right hand man that was the lawyer who did the advising throughout that fiasco. 😉

 

[MCI transplant]

You guys have got it all wrong about the next TWU contract at AA. The TWU will get us all a 45% raise and get back our vacation. Doubletime will also be put back in our contract along with our five missing holidays. The TWU will even get back our paid lunch and our health benefits will all be free of charge! It's time to stop bashing the TWU and the company. They really,really care about us and want us to be happy!!! :wacko: :wacko:

<_< ----Princess, You've got to lay off those funny looken cigarettes you've been smoken!!!! 😉

 

[Vortilon]

After viewing the TWU/Eclat presentation there should be little doubt that the TWU is setting us up for yet another let down. Kinda reminds me of the survey the TWU took in the early 90s when things were not going so well - layoffs etc.. Then come the 95 contract industry doing great - profit sharing etc. The TWU refers to the then 2 year old survey for what was important to the membership. You know the result.

The way our union is going, they might as well cross over to company management. I would liken this to a coach telling his team "well, we have looked at the rest of the teams, and this is the best we can do". When your own union is putting out presentations that will do nothing for the memberships benefit - you have to wonder.

In fact, it leaves little doubt in the direction they are going. Not a good sign of what to expect.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Kinda reminds me of the survey the TWU took in the early 90s when things were not going so well - layoffs etc.. Then come the 95 contract industry doing great - profit sharing etc. The TWU refers to the then 2 year old survey for what was important to the membership. You know the result.

Ah, yes the Fingerhut survey. There used to be a copy of the results on the-mechanic. I'll see if I can find my copy and post it to compare the latest presentation.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

<_< ----Princess, You've got to lay off those funny looken cigarettes you've been smoken!!!! 😉

Oh come on MCI, our next contract will have our sick pay restored and with sick accrual to be 12 days a year.
Everybody is going to get real job security and everyone(all TWAers included) will be recalled from layoff. The TWU will get line maintenance stations opened up to whereever AA flies and those mechanics who live in high cost areas will get a COLA! I also heard we will get a bankruptcy proof pension too! This will be the best TWU contract ever at AA! :blink: :wacko: :blink: :wacko:

MCI, you should try some of these funny looken fire sticks. They go really good with the kool-aid.

 

[Hopeful]

Just remember!
If we are all good boys and girls and give the company and the TWU all they want, maybe in 2008 we can get back ONE of the concessions we gave back!

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Just remember!
If we are all good boys and girls and give the company and the TWU all they want, maybe in 2008 we can get back ONE of the concessions we gave back!

Yeah, right. I can guess which one it will be.

They are still storing the uniforms we turned in, but they are all in one big bin at each station. We will get to go through the bin and pick out what we turned in.

 

[brokenwrench]

With the demise of AMFA, the TWU has no threat to force them to act like a union.

There will be concessions every contract and concessionary letters of agreement in between.

AMFA administers some of the best contracts in the industry. One defeat does not make or break a union unless the members let it. Don’t forget that ALPA suffered a similar defeat at Continental. Few would argue that ALPA, even with the cuts taken at most airlines still is able to demand a VERY livable wage for most pilots.

 

[aafsc]

AMFA administers some of the best contracts in the industry. One defeat does not make or break a union unless the members let it. Don’t forget that ALPA suffered a similar defeat at Continental. Few would argue that ALPA, even with the cuts taken at most airlines still is able to demand a VERY livable wage for most pilots.

Some of the best contracts in the industry? Where have you been? UAL/AMFA mechanics make less hourly-wise than AA mechanics and they also lost their pensions. At NW, AMFA sure did a bang up job administering the contract as NW sh1t canned 60% of it's members long before the strike even began; thus making it easy to replace those who remained. Alaska AMTs appear to make the same as an AA AMT wage wise but they lost their heavy overhaul on AMFA's watch. SWA AMTs agreed to extend the Teamster negotiated contract, so AMFA didn't do anything there. And it appears AMFA just agreed to a CONCESSIONARY T/A at Mesaba. Didn't they say they never negotiate concessions? The contract that the TWU NEGOTIATED and ADMINISTERS at AA is far superior to anything AMFA has at another carrier. Although it is a cargo airline, the best AMT contract that exists was NEGOTIATED and is ADMINISTERED by the Teamsters at UPS.

 

[TWU informer]

Just pack your #### and leave the industry.

There is no hope for the AMT Profession.

Leave the industry to the SCABS and low wage happy to have a job brothers.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

AMFA administers some of the best contracts in the industry. One defeat does not make or break a union unless the members let it. Don’t forget that ALPA suffered a similar defeat at Continental. Few would argue that ALPA, even with the cuts taken at most airlines still is able to demand a VERY livable wage for most pilots.

As I posted earlier, I should have said "with the demise of AMFA as an immediate threat to the TWU at AAL......"

The TWU simply does not see AMFA as an immediate threat. Many many of my co workers who would have been on the fence or would have voted AMFA if given a chance are not so sure now. They are afraid an AMFA win would mean we would go the way of the NW mechs, with the other so-called union employees crossing our picket lines. Heck, the pilots even agreed to cross our TWU picket lines. So, the TWU is firmly entrenched and it is business as usual.

 

[Hackman]

Some of the best contracts in the industry? Where have you been? UAL/AMFA mechanics make less hourly-wise than AA mechanics and they also lost their pensions. At NW, AMFA sure did a bang up job administering the contract as NW sh1t canned 60% of it's members long before the strike even began; thus making it easy to replace those who remained. Alaska AMTs appear to make the same as an AA AMT wage wise but they lost their heavy overhaul on AMFA's watch. SWA AMTs agreed to extend the Teamster negotiated contract, so AMFA didn't do anything there. And it appears AMFA just agreed to a CONCESSIONARY T/A at Mesaba. Didn't they say they never negotiate concessions? The contract that the TWU NEGOTIATED and ADMINISTERS at AA is far superior to anything AMFA has at another carrier. Although it is a cargo airline, the best AMT contract that exists was NEGOTIATED and is ADMINISTERED by the Teamsters at UPS.

Yes, some of the best the industry, and fighting rogue management. Something the Toilet Workers Union only talks about. The NWA/AMFA 2001 agreement was fought all way to a PEB, and the twu waited for it to be settled and still couldn't match it. Who else fought that hard? The twu? The iam? 🙄 The ibt??? (Stick with airlines please, UPS and FDX are far and above airlines in profits, pay, and management quality). Who started the outsourcing of the NWA DC-10's and the 747's to China??? The iam did. Who started the concessions rolling at NWA waaaay back in 1993 and the iam employees still haven't been paid for the NWA stock options promised??? The iam did. The iam has currently agreed to outsource nearly all NWA outstations staffed with iam rampers. AMFA fought a fight they didn't ask for. The rest of the unions cowered. Just like the twu will again, and again, and again. :down: :down:

UAL mechanics should have struck, but they didn't. The iam screwed its members at UAL before getting the boot by AMFA. The iam agreed to outsource ALL heavy maintenance and turned its back on the retirees and then blamed AMFA for it. Typical iam.

SWA AMFA mechanics took the money offered by SWA management during difficult times. Just like the twu would have, except it would have been twu concessions instead of raises. I have full confidence AMFA will negotiate a great contract for SWA when the time comes.

Let me ask you aafcu, will the twu International ever say no to AA, or strike if it comes to it? Will they ever fight.....For ANYTHING??? PLULEEEZZZ!!!!! When it comes time for another screwing, will the twu fight or cower??? The twu administers what the compAAny tells them to....which is 20+ years of nothing but concessions. The twu has always been the first to nearly every concession known to exist, starting with yes...the B-scale. Why do you think AA management fought so had to keep a AMFA/twu representational vote from occuring??? Hmmmm.....ah... maybe non-stop twu concessions??? Crooked and bought twu International unelected officers??? Must be something they like!!!! Nah, the company just really cares about its employees. That's it!!!

You need to shut your pie hole about mechanics, and stick to stress testing Samsonites and getting your next bag of ganja. :down: :blink:

 

[Vortilon]

Hackman makes valid points. Had the TWU been at NWA or UAL representing AMTs, does anybody really believe they would have fared better? The TWU is not a union for AMTs. Even our sim techs are making more than AMTs now coutesy of the TWU. The dispatchers are at $45 per hour give or take - not bad for a 12 week course - wasn't Jim Little a dispatcher?

There has to be a change of representation Frankly, no organisation is perfect - they have all had black eyes at one time or another. The AMFA would still be the best bet at AA to get this concession giving TWU organisation out.

You know your union sucks when they start talking company speak a year and half from when this sh!t contract becomes ammendable!

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

They brought the 77 page tome of gloom and doom out yesterday up here, for a second I thought I was reading something from the company.

Did you see the page with the oil price forecast? $66.00 per bbl in 2011 yet as I sit here watching CNBC I see NYMEX Crude trading at $58.12 per bbl.


This whole thing is nothing more than managing expectations, they are laying the ground work for "Well, we'd like to get you guys something, buuuuuut the company really can't afford it and by the way we'd like to outsource this, this, this and this..."