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[BoeingBoy]

First, let me say (as I did in a PM) that my last post wasn't aimed at PI brat in case anyone draws the wrong conclusion. Now for this:

He simply does not understand current politics, as evidenced by his latest gaff.

What gaff. If you had bothered to take my earlier comments in context it would be obvious that I was saying that IF the company had violated the TA a greivance would be far more effective than picketing. Informational picketing is no more effective with management than the "strongly worded letter" that the old ALPA MEC Chairman used to prefer. Could it be that the "armchair USAPA warriors" are just as good as the old ALPA MEC was at generating lots of smoke but no fire?

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

You posted this while I was composing the above post:

Boo Hoo. Maybe for once you could make a statement based on true unionism, instead of your ultra safe sideline comments. Click that easy chair lever back another notch Jim, and maybe change the channel. You are a good guy, but are so out of touch is it is embarrassing. I challenge you to opine yet again on why it was "bad" for our pilots to picket in BOS. Use your own words sir, and not the skirting around the edges excuses you normally use, to stay out of the line of fire.

RR

True unionism - is that stirring up lots of emotion with little or nothing to show for it?

I pretty much explained in the previous post, in my own words, why the BOS picketing was futile (I never said "bad" - that's putting words in my mouth). While it may have given those who took part something to pat themselves on the back for, that's all that was accomplished. When has informational picketing ever had an effect on US management's actions? The ball is in your court and I eagerly await the list of informational picketing's accomplishments.

Jim

 

[Reed Richards]

First, let me say (as I did in a PM) that my last post wasn't aimed at PI brat in case anyone draws the wrong conclusion. Now for this:



What gaff. If you had bothered to take my earlier comments in context it would be obvious that I was saying that IF the company had violated the TA a greivance would be far more effective than picketing. Informational picketing is no more effective with management than the "strongly worded letter" that the old ALPA MEC Chairman used to prefer. Could it be that the "armchair USAPA warriors" are just as good as the old ALPA MEC was at generating lots of smoke but no fire?

Jim

I guess then it would been out of the question for you to have joined your fellow pilots on the picket line in BOS, as you thought it "of no use." I am sure you had the "time off." I don't ever remember seeing your name on a ballot for elected office at ALPA, though that does not surprise me now. I was unqualified, but still was able to win 3 elections to ALPA office by a large margin, having not participated in union work for over 20 years. If you keep rooting around, you might find that ALPA nipple again...only in your dreams. I never cared to drink, thus my recent excursion to USAPA.

RR

 

[BoeingBoy]

Jim

I guess then it would been out of the question for you to have joined your fellow pilots on the picket line in BOS, as you thought it "of no use."

Tell you what - let's see if the closing of BOS gets canceled absent a grievance then we'll both know whether the picketing served any useful purpose or not...

If you keep rooting around, you might find that ALPA nipple again...only in your dreams.

Sounds like you were the one that was on the ALPA nipple (qualified or not) - I never got one dollar of FPL from ALPA in my 17 years of ALPA work. As an elected position holder, I suspect you can't say the same. For full disclosure, the MEC did pay for hotel rooms and meals when I was in PIT for a bid closing.

Jim

 

[Reed Richards]

Tell you what - let's see if the closing of BOS gets canceled absent a grievance then we'll both know whether the picketing served any useful purpose or not...



Sounds like you were the one that was on the ALPA nipple (qualified or not) - I never got one dollar of FPL from ALPA in my 17 years of ALPA work. As an elected position holder, I suspect you can't say the same. For full disclosure, the MEC did pay for hotel rooms and meals when I was in PIT for a bid closing.

Jim

As I suspected your participation was only based on a perceived "success." I still thank you for your years of volunteer service, but will note that just like many of your kind, you only served the pilots when it met your own ideals. True union pilots work for the pilots, no matter what the name of the union, and no matter how they voted, and no matter what the politics. As to FPL, I never said it was bad, or evil. I would ask, although I think I am done with this discussion in general, why you would even expect FPL when not doing representational work. You were able to pick and choose your volunteer work. Getting called into the CP office to represent a pilot does not provide that same flexibility.

RR

 

[BoeingBoy]

although I think I am done with this discussion in general,

A good place to drop it before we're admonished for labor discussions in a non-labor thread or the thread gets closed for being off topic...

Jim

 

[luvn737s]

I was unqualified, but still was able to win 3 elections to ALPA office by a large margin, having not participated in union work for over 20 years.

Do you have a concise summary of the major accomplishments you made during your tenure in office? In what specific ways did you advance the profession. such that your provenance of service in ALPA gives credence to your influence in USAPA.


BB's point (if I am interpreting him properly) is that without the power or relevance to influence the airline from the outside, USAPA is forced to play within the limits of the TA if they want to hold the company accountable. Grandstanding and vain attempts to "shame" the company into doing right by the pilots is empty narcissism by folks bent on cultivating a cult of personality in lieu of producing real tangible results.