I would love to know what you are talking about. We are all about creating a security system that encompasses everyone. Not just a few people who, by name or passport are guilty until proven innocent.Well, Well, I'm so glad you macho types got it all figured out. Just to back up your philosophy, I would love to see you attempt to practice what you preach in one of these muslim run countries. How long do you think you would last?
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I don't know...the narrator asks some damn good questions about the crash scenes backed up by confused reporters at the scenes with cameras and eyewitnesses. Sure does make me ask a lot of questions.
On a side note, I wish everyone would stop liberal bashing. It's un-American.
I love America! And, it was a bunch of Liberals who created these United States. I believe in the right of free speech. I believe in all of our freedoms. I believe conservatives have the right to their opinions as long as it doesn't infringe upon my rights to question autority or to have an abortion or to use stem cells to cure me.
I think Liberals love America more than Conservatives!
Conservative America seems to follow in the footsteps of Islam. Dress women from head to toe, no abortions (let the system take care of unwanted children-oops! Poor children! We have to cut social service's budget so we this 230 yr old country can straighten out a three thousand year old culture), got to have God involved in everything, to hell with freedom of religion.
If it were up to conservatives, we'd all have British accents.
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I'm a widget dealer. I run widgets on the black market from MIA to NYC up US1.
Scenario one.
Cops are profiling. They know that in most previous cases the tinker bell gang are the ones who are used as drivers and they usually drive '70's muscle cars. So I’m going to hire a little ol’e lady from Pasadena and put her in a VW bug.
Second scenario.
Cops are looking at everyone as a possible target. They will be looking for anyone who looks suspicious. They will be stopping random vehicles to look for the widgets.
Seems to me if I know you are looking for a specific type of person, I will do my best to use someone as far from that profile as possible. If I know you are looking for anyone and everyone who seems suspicious, I reduces the odds of me being successful. People tend to do what is easiest and they relax after a while. I cannot count the number of times in last few years that I have carried a knife on board the plane with out being stopped. Hell, this past week I had a bottle of water that I bought on the secure side and took it on board.
Profiling, IMO will fail. If they bad guys know we are doing it, they will get the little ol’e lady to be a mule. The TSA, as incompetent as they already are will focus on the profile and be more likely to ignore those who do not fit it.
Aside from all that. We are playing "whack a mole". The mole has the advantage. He can choose the place and time of his choosing. As one of bush’s writers penned for him. "The terrorists just need to be successful one time, we need to be successful 100% of the time". What do you think the odds are of that happening. It will happen. They will blow up a plane, building, dirty bomb or a nuke at some point. We need to find out how to make nice, and if we cannot, we need to accept the fact that no mater how hard we try, at some point, they will score a point.
Scenario one.
Cops are profiling. They know that in most previous cases the tinker bell gang are the ones who are used as drivers and they usually drive '70's muscle cars. So I’m going to hire a little ol’e lady from Pasadena and put her in a VW bug.
Second scenario.
Cops are looking at everyone as a possible target. They will be looking for anyone who looks suspicious. They will be stopping random vehicles to look for the widgets.
Seems to me if I know you are looking for a specific type of person, I will do my best to use someone as far from that profile as possible. If I know you are looking for anyone and everyone who seems suspicious, I reduces the odds of me being successful. People tend to do what is easiest and they relax after a while. I cannot count the number of times in last few years that I have carried a knife on board the plane with out being stopped. Hell, this past week I had a bottle of water that I bought on the secure side and took it on board.
Profiling, IMO will fail. If they bad guys know we are doing it, they will get the little ol’e lady to be a mule. The TSA, as incompetent as they already are will focus on the profile and be more likely to ignore those who do not fit it.
Aside from all that. We are playing "whack a mole". The mole has the advantage. He can choose the place and time of his choosing. As one of bush’s writers penned for him. "The terrorists just need to be successful one time, we need to be successful 100% of the time". What do you think the odds are of that happening. It will happen. They will blow up a plane, building, dirty bomb or a nuke at some point. We need to find out how to make nice, and if we cannot, we need to accept the fact that no mater how hard we try, at some point, they will score a point.
True Cristians pick and choose what best serves there needs and idology and use those laws and rules to follow.
Some will take Christianity, others will choose Muslim. Still other one of the many hundreds of other religions and way to worship or not worship, God the creator. What is so neat about this country is we get to FREELY choose which one.
How did that become a bad thing. Do you think Jesus was a conservitive? Guess again.
I do. Will they become perfect places to live? No, but we would be taking alot of fuel from the fire there.
Line them up. They all have a beef about the others. Nearly everyone preaches of the death and destruction of all those non believers and those not in that religion.
But I am sure fox will. Actually the conflict in the impoverished region of Sudan is between a rebel group that began attacking government targets, claiming the region was being neglected by the government.
The rebels say the government is oppressing black Africans in favour of Arabs.
Darfur, has faced many years of tension over land and grazing rights between the mostly nomadic Arabs, and farmers from, Massaleet and Zagawa communities. In short its Arabs against Black Africans
Why doesn't the administration just follow the law? FISA, They can even get a warrant after the fact. Why do they need to monitor EVERYONE? With over 16,000 FISA warrants heard only 5 were turned down. Very likely they were reworded and then issued. Look at those odds, what was the chance of any terror network not legally being able to be watched. With in the law.
I can say with all certainty he would be a big 'ol W supported. Bush has given him everything he ever dreamed of.
Many Religious Right activists have attempted to rewrite history by asserting that the United States government derived from Christian foundations, that our Founding Fathers originally aimed for a Christian nation. This idea simply does not hold to the historical evidence.
Of course many Americans did practice Christianity, but so also did many believe in deistic philosophy. Indeed, most of our influential founding fathers, although they respected the rights of other religionists, held to deism and freemasonry tenets rather than to Christianity.
The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.
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The fact is the clap trap video brings up alot of points that make you wonder "otherwise"
I am a true American but I wouldnt put anything past the US govt and the people who run this country.
History has proven its all about the Power and the money and its been this way since the begining of time
Watch the history channel for a few weeks you will see what I mean.
The video does cast some doubt on what really happened
Yeah right, and Abe Lincoln was a Democrat. This whole thread is way off task anyway.
Point is, you will never be able to convince me that having a more liberal society will somehow make this a safer place to live. The muslim facists will only see that as a weakness, and take advantage of it. Unfortunately, those days are over.
It's obvious you feel pretty confident about your beliefs. That is what makes this country great! Only time will tell . B)
What I mean is simply having free speech. How long do you think it would take the authorities in say Saudi Arabia to shut down a diversity march, and punish all involved accordingly. As far as profiling goes, it doesn't have to be real offensive or degrading. It would; in fact, protect muslims as well, from the one wanting to punch out. I think most muslims would pretty much understand that it's only common sense that they are profiled for obvious reasons. It's either that, or they are in complete denile. 😛h34r:
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So, Mikey, I guess it is okay for Americans to be profiled during terrorists attacks, eh?
You do have free speech, and I assume like me you live here in the US and not Saudi Arabia. I don't know or feel the need to change the beliefs or the government of Saudi Arabia.
Profiling is insulting to all intelligent people. You believe that you will be able to spot a terrorist by sight. They will be in a Dishdashah and a Gutrah, with a long beard thick accent and a middle eastern passport.
The people most interested in profiling seem to be the ones with the least chance of getting pulled aside.
So far no one has answered this. How do you spot a Muslim terrorist?
why would that be OK?
Abe Lincoln was not a democrat, but his polices of the time make him a modern day liberal. In seeking the presidency he joined the fledgling republican party. A party he could surly not recognize today. He was man who worked for poor communities and against slavery. Was also a lawyer, Oh the horror. A man who sought liberty and justice for ALL.
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A good cop uses profiling every day.
And yes, a bad cop uses profiling every day.
But, it works if not abused.
Unfortunately, TSA are idiots.
