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[FA Mikey]

These are all areas they have commited their heinous acts of terrorism. Mike there is no comparison with these low life savages. From the most educated to the mother in Lebanon who claims she has children for hezbollah, if they die she can make more. Read the history of Islam.

No doubt there are fanaticals. Every society and religon has them. So whats the trade off. You want them alll rounded up? Hunted and killed? What? My point time and again is I am not trading freedom precieved security. That is the point being made by me time and again yet for some unknowen reason everyone keepps turning it away from that.

Are you willing to trade your freedom and security? Why not just upgrading security for ALL?

Christianity which you compare Islam to was started by a peaceful Man/God. What it's followers have occasionally done is the way of sin.

There is the under statement of the century

islam was started by a war monging reject named mohammad. This mohammad even had the audacity to have sex with a 10 year old,, (oops,my bad,she was actually 9!) daughter of his brother, breaking his own code of claiming wives, to the dismay of this brother. (Brother is a loose term here, it was a close confidente of mohammad whom he considered as a brother). What good can come from such evil?

What did Jesus say about casting the first stone? Might want to see what other religons have pediflies and have protected known abusers for years.

 

[Vortilon]

No, we should do a better job of monitoring all. How do you tell someone is a Muslim? Is it the same way you tell is someone is Christian or Lutheran?

Mikey, its pretty clear that you are the godless sort. By the way, Lutherans are Christians.

How do you tell if someone is muslim? Well considering the fact that the vast majority do have an ethnic look, that leaves us with the few European looking ones. So far; knock wood, we haven't had to deal with that type. At that point, I would defer to El Als techniques of extracting intent or determining weather the person is a threat. It can and has been done!

 

[Mach85ER]

No doubt there are fanaticals. Every society and religon has them.

FA Mikey,

You keep hitting on some sort of bizarre moral relativism as if everyone behaves and thinks the same, and everyone has the same level of depravity, therefore, who are we to judge?

True, every religon and society has it's fanaticals and psychopaths, but nowhere in the world do you find both open and veiled support for pure murder than the Islamic world of today. Look around, the numbers are there, take the UK for instance. Something like 1/4 of British muslims approved of last years 7/7 train bombings. That's over 250,000 Brits. Look at my list again, they can't get along with anyone around the world that won't submit to their beliefs.

Spend a little time at this site: Islam

Maybe you can tell the difference in upbringing between us, the Asians, the Hindus, the Latins and every other culture versus Islam after watching the above videos.

As for the pedophile bit, that's funny. Do a little reading on the Afghans and their poetry about men chasing little boys.

 

[Vortilon]

This comment posted By FA Mikey:

What did Jesus say about casting the first stone? Might want to see what other religons have pediflies and have protected known abusers for years.

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I get the slight there. The Catholic Church has some issues that they are working out. What were these issues? Oh yeah, they were with homosexual priests slipping past the liberal admittance system in place. 😉

 

[FA Mikey]

I get the slight there. The Catholic Church has some issues that they are working out. What were these issues? Oh yeah, they were with homosexual priests slipping past the liberal admittance system in place. 😉

Some issues? The courts are working it out, the church is still dragging its feet. Majority of sex crimes against children are perpetrated by straight men.

 

[RDU Jetblast]

My havn't we gone off topic a bit. The chasm between opinions here is why this country is a mess.


United we stand, divided we fall. It is as true today as it was over 230 years ago.

 

[FA Mikey]

FA Mikey,

You keep hitting on some sort of bizarre moral relativism as if everyone behaves and thinks the same, and everyone has the same level of depravity, therefore, who are we to judge?

I am trying to say I wont trade freedom for security. I dont deny the depravity of some people in that and every culture. But this is stupid, there is no way to single out muslims and for what gain? Can someone tell us how to know who is muslim and who is not? There are other killers and terrorists. We need equal treatment and a security system that address all the issues. It 2006 and still no screening of cargo, on our planes or in the ports. Is this only way a terrorist will strike?

As for the pedophile bit, that's funny. Do a little reading on the Afghans and their poetry about men chasing little boys.

The point that the sickos are not just muslim, there are some in all of our neighborhoods.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

This is not just a hatred for muslims thing. I agree with Mikey on monitoring all.

However, if I were a cop in a town with an abortion clinic, I would do a little extra monitoring of fundamentalist Christian gun nuts. You know, the ones with a Confederate flag instead of a front license plate and "protected by Smith and Wesson" or "they can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers" bumper stickers. I would even pay attention to what was preached in the local churches.

And right now, the issue is suicide bombers on airplanes, so the muslims are going to get a little extra monitoring. It is only fair.

BTW, I am a christian (lower case) and a shooter, so I have no dog in this fight. And in college, I took a full semester upper-level course titled Islamic Civilization, so I am not speaking from total ignorance.

 

[avek00]

How do you tell if someone is muslim? Well considering the fact that the vast majority do have an ethnic look, that leaves us with the few European looking ones.

Complete and utter BS - there are literally TENS OF MILLIONS of Muslims (from Albania, the former Yugoslavia, the Mediterrean countries of the Middle East, and the former USSR, among other places) who are as European-looking as can be, complete with blonde/brown hair and blue/green eyes.

And yes, some of them have participated in suicide bombings and other terrorist actions too - of course, as always in American life, it's more convenient to focus scrutiny and angst on the brown and black people instead...

 

[AAStew]

No doubt there are fanaticals. Every society and religon has them. So whats the trade off. You want them alll rounded up? Hunted and killed? What? My point time and again is I am not trading freedom precieved security. That is the point being made by me time and again yet for some unknowen reason everyone keepps turning it away from that.

Are you willing to trade your freedom and security? Why not just upgrading security for ALL?
There is the under statement of the century What did Jesus say about casting the first stone? Might want to see what other religons have pediflies and have protected known abusers for years.

The point is the other religions do not teach that killing is okay, (as long as it is in the name of allah), that sex with young girls is okay (hey the prophet did it so it must be fine). If anyone from Christianity is behaving this way it is out of their ignorance not the teachings of Christ.

 

[avek00]

This is not just a hatred for muslims thing. I agree with Mikey on monitoring all.

However, if I were a cop in a town with an abortion clinic, I would do a little extra monitoring of fundamentalist Christian gun nuts. You know, the ones with a Confederate flag instead of a front license plate and "protected by Smith and Wesson" or "they can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers" bumper stickers. I would even pay attention to what was preached in the local churches.

And right now, the issue is suicide bombers on airplanes, so the muslims are going to get a little extra monitoring. It is only fair.

BTW, I am a christian (lower case) and a shooter, so I have no dog in this fight. And in college, I took a full semester upper-level course titled Islamic Civilization, so I am not speaking from total ignorance.

A little extra monitoring is one thing, and in fact somewhat permissible depending on the facts and circumstances of the perceived risk and nature of the "monitoring". However, outright profiling and disparate treatment based on religion is completely unacceptable to American jurisprudence and would get struck down in about 15 minutes in any courtroom - and always should be, given that this country started in part because of persons who were harrassed and maligned because of their religious beliefs.

 

[Hopeful]

A little extra monitoring is one thing, and in fact somewhat permissible depending on the facts and circumstances of the perceived risk and nature of the "monitoring". However, outright profiling and disparate treatment based on religion is completely unacceptable to American jurisprudence and would get struck down in about 15 minutes in any courtroom - and always should be, given that this country started in part because of persons who were harrassed and maligned because of their religious beliefs.

EVEN IF THEIR BELIEFS SAY IT IS ALLAH'S WILL TO KILL AMRICANS?

 

[avek00]

EVEN IF THEIR BELIEFS SAY IT IS ALLAH'S WILL TO KILL AMRICANS?

No major world religion holds the killing of Americans as a central or even peripheral belief in its mainstream practices, so I fail to see your point.

 

[eolesen]

No major world religion holds the killing of Americans as a central or even peripheral belief in its mainstream practices, so I fail to see your point.

That's part of the problem. You don't see the point because you're wrapped up in technicalities.

You're right that the killing of Americans is not a mainstream practice.

However, the killing of infidels most certainly is, and our liberal secular society results in Americans as being labeled as infidels.

That's right. It's not our politics which have landed us in this position.

Muslims have a respect and fear of God, and an intense hatred of those who do not respect God or his laws.

By allowing the liberal whack jobs to eradicate any resemblemce of religion out of the schools and the courthouse square and by allowing crap like "Brokeback Mountain" and "Eyes Wide Shut" to be the outward symbols of American culture, we've made ourselves the target.

If we were still the God fearing Judeo-Christian society that we were 60 years ago, the religious zealots would not have had the ammunition (no pun intended) that they've had for going after American culture, and I don't think we'd be in this state of hysteria.

 

[limit]

That's part of the problem. You don't see the point because you're wrapped up in technicalities.

You're right that the killing of Americans is not a mainstream practice.

However, the killing of infidels most certainly is, and our liberal secular society results in Americans as being labeled as infidels.

That's right. It's not our politics which have landed us in this position.

Muslims have a respect and fear of God, and an intense hatred of those who do not respect God or his laws.

By allowing the liberal whack jobs to eradicate any resemblemce of religion out of the schools and the courthouse square and by allowing crap like "Brokeback Mountain" and "Eyes Wide Shut" to be the outward symbols of American culture, we've made ourselves the target.

If we were still the God fearing Judeo-Christian society that we were 60 years ago, the religious zealots would not have had the ammunition (no pun intended) that they've had for going after American culture, and I don't think we'd be in this state of hysteria.

I agree with you that the situation in our schools, media and society in general has reached an all time low.
I certainly hope that you mean that our "Liberal" society has given additional fodder to the Muslim world.
If not, I have to strongly disagree with you.
Anyone that is not a Muslim is an infidel.
To suggest otherwise, only shows a deep ignorance of the present and past situation in the Middle East and Europe.
Believing that if we were a God fearing society we would not be a target of Muslim religious zealots is downright dangerous.