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American's talks with union end without a deal
2:36 p.m. 10/04/2007 Provided by


Oct 04, 2007 (Fort Worth Star-Telegram - McClatchy-Tribune Information Services via COMTEX) -- American Airlines' hopes for snaring a contract extension with mechanics and ground workers were dashed Wednesday after talks with union leaders ended without a deal.

The Fort Worth-based airline had offered an unusual proposal to the Transport Workers Union two weeks ago, which would have extended the current contract for two years and included some form of incentive-based pay increases. Had it been successful, it would have been a significant victory on the labor front for the airline.

But "everything fell apart" late Wednesday, said one source close to the negotiations. In an e-mail to local chapter presidents, union leaders said that the informal talks have finished and that "no agreements have been reached."

The union, which represents 27,000 American mechanics, baggage handlers and other ground workers, will begin traditional negotiations for a new contract in November, officials said.

An airline spokeswoman confirmed that the talks had ended without a deal and declined to comment further.

American executives had hoped by extending the TWU contract to gain breathing room to focus on pilots and flight attendants. Contracts with all three employee groups will be open for changes in May.

A deal with ground workers that included some form of merit-based pay increases could have been a model for the airline's other labor groups. American negotiators are pushing for productivity improvements and say that the airline is already at a disadvantage with competitors when it comes to labor costs.

TWU officials have worked closely with American managers in recent years to boost efficiency at maintenance bases and bring in revenue from outside contracts with other airlines. But union leaders have also said that their members want to see a restoration of wages and benefits lost in 2003, when employees approved concessions that kept the airline out of bankruptcy.

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If the secret union leaders will not disclose the details of the proposal, then why doesn't the company.

I guess "open communications" at AA is only with the secret union leaders not the employees?
 
If the secret union leaders will not disclose the details of the proposal, then why doesn't the company.

I guess "open communications" at AA is only with the secret union leaders not the employees?

Why are you asking for information from the union we pay dues to? You should know when they say "open communications" they mean it the way they say "we are democratic". :ph34r:
 
There are $3,000,000.00 reasons per year that the TWU/AA do not communicate directly with the membership.

IMHO, the old deal will just be rolled into the "new deal" come November, or now April, with more "message" discipline being administered for the TWU side of the house.
 
I suspect we are looking at the RLA being played while AA stalls on any agreements with any work group.

They have an 18 month to 2 year window, why pay up when law has built in delays and protections.

Unless the agreement is quid pro quo you can forget about a new contract until pressure days arrive. Even then, with the defined pensions in the mix, AA will have public and government support on their side as details of cost comparisons are strategically placed in the media. Your defined pension is of great value and/or cost depending on which side you are looking from, and anyone that believes that we saved the pensions with the concessions and that battle is now over should be drug tested. The other airlines, through BK got rid of that cost/value and those associated cost will be the staple of any and all negotiations or public opinion campaigns.

I really do not have much faith in the TWU nor our present position when compared to other carriers.

The Government bail out that allowed the weak to survive will bite us in the ass for years to come. The Socialism form of Government Corporate Welfare into a Capitalist Economy and Industry will not treat workers well as long as they conform to abiding by laws and placing their future in the hands of politicians instead of their ability to create chaos and havoc within the rich mans playground.
 
If the secret union leaders will not disclose the details of the proposal, then why doesn't the company.

I guess "open communications" at AA is only with the secret union leaders not the employees?

Here y'all go again -- looking for a cloud to put around a silver lining....

I'm no fan of the TWU (or any union, for that matter), but if the terms of the extension were so bad that they walked away from the table, it means one of two things --- 1) it was the turd of turds as far as a proposal went, or 2) The TWU was asking for way more than the company wanted to give.

Either way, it sounds like they were actually doing their job for a change....
 
Here y'all go again -- looking for a cloud to put around a silver lining....

I'm no fan of the TWU (or any union, for that matter), but if the terms of the extension were so bad that they walked away from the table, it means one of two things --- 1) it was the turd of turds as far as a proposal went, or 2) The TWU was asking for way more than the company wanted to give.

Either way, it sounds like they were actually doing their job for a change....


Either way, the communication of these facts would put the speculation to rest.

All I am asking for is to know what was exchanged and where we stand as members and employees.

If things are two-way rosie as you believe then why not share the truth?
 
What? Nothing from the union about the talks? Can't be. Not the TWU.....Say it's not so.........
 
What, y'all don't have any moles inside the union? What the hell kind of union is it?


It all began in the mid 1930's to help the Transit Workers in New York.

Funded and formed by the Communist and Irish Republican Army, and even the very first International President was not legitimately elected. Been down hill from there for decades.

Uncontrolled spread of the problem into AA happened in the 1940's.
 
Here y'all go again -- looking for a cloud to put around a silver lining....

I'm no fan of the TWU (or any union, for that matter), but if the terms of the extension were so bad that they walked away from the table, it means one of two things --- 1) it was the turd of turds as far as a proposal went, or 2) The TWU was asking for way more than the company wanted to give.

Either way, it sounds like they were actually doing their job for a change....

Well i have to humbly disagree. If the HR dept. er i mean the twu decided the proposal was bad then they think the membership has not sacrificed enough. Anyone remember the 89 no vote? Reminder the international never has to live under the contractual terms they agree too they are untouchable they get their raises regardless of their performance. The only hope is they finally piss off enough fence sitters to oust them.
 
Here y'all go again -- looking for a cloud to put around a silver lining....

I'm no fan of the TWU (or any union, for that matter), but if the terms of the extension were so bad that they walked away from the table, it means one of two things --- 1) it was the turd of turds as far as a proposal went, or 2) The TWU was asking for way more than the company wanted to give.

Either way, it sounds like they were actually doing their job for a change....

Or it could be a well-choreographed sham to manipulate the membership into thinking the TWU is "actually doing their job for a change".
 
I have news for you boys and girls....The company will have considered the extension talks their FIRST AND BEST offer. The way TWU operates is that we will wind up getting LESS than whatever this extension would have given us.