No Joint Contract, No integration "AWARD"

[ClueByFour]

Finally, we mean business and either the West pilots become reasonable and work out a solution or this will become very, very ugly. That is not me talking, that's the East MEC talking.

Uhh, they were reasonable. They took it to arbitration. And won.

The East MEC has no move that won't be countered by ALPA National or the company going to court to whack the Transition Agreement.

Rolling the dice on DOH was dumb. Trying to hold up a casino when said dice come up deuces does not work.

The AWA pilots have to do nothing except continue to get paid more than their East counterparts and pay their merger counsel.

Simply put, the Nicolau award that placed an AWA 3-month tenure copilot ahead of a 19-year US Airways copilot will not proceed and there is nothing, absolutely nothing the West pilots can do about it.

Those two individuals had basically the same career expectations when the merger happened. (note that I've been saying this since the merger happened). It's not the AWA guy's fault he worked for a growing airline.

As an aside, the West pilots don't have to do anything. The company will do it for them (watch and see).

 

[fatherabraham]

Clue says:

"Those two individuals had basically the same career expectations when the merger happened. (note that I've been saying this since the merger happened). It's not the AWA guy's fault he worked for a growing airline."


Wrong and wrong. If the same then let operate separate.
Have you been reading??????? :down:

 

[ussnark]

You missed the point of my post entirely. If the east pulls it's proposed shenanigans, there will be no TA and the firewall protections it offers the east. There will be nothing to stop the West from flying widebodies to anywhere from anywhere. Truly 'all bets' will be off.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face is one thing. Decapitating is quite another.

Removing the offending appendage is biblical. Ass.

Again, follow me here: NO TA = Anything goes.

The west won't be flying them from PHX. They'll be flying them from an AWA PHL crew base (at least there would be nothing legally stopping them).

Ignoring the risk of scuttling the TA will not make it go away.

But the east will decide what course it wishes to take - progress or vindictiveness.

I vote for progress, but the westies keep bringing in vindictiveness. Can we shuck the westies to the commuters, where they really seem to be happy?

 

[CactusFlyr]

You guys really don't get it.

SOMETIMES YOUR THE WINDSHIELD, SOMETIMES YOUR THE BUG.

 

[Rico]

I love the pundints that say "Gee, you guys should not have gone for DOH, see, you got what you deserved as a result"...

When AWA's proposals were just as aggresive, in the other direction.

But that's what opposite sides do in a negotiation/arbitration ---> They ask for as much as they can, thinking that they should at least get a percentage of what they asked for.

The difference here, is that the AWA pilots pretty much got everything they asked for, and the US pilots did not.

Saying the US pilots should have taken a lesser stance is moronic. As they would have just ended up with even less from this "Award"

Yeah Clue, I'm talking to you...

 

[CactusFlyr]

Sorry,

AWA pilots did not ask for everything from this ACQUISITION.
If they had, we would have been seeking a staple. We took the middle road, and that is approximately where it ended.

 

[Edward]

I am looking for the day when an East pilot walks up to a West pilot in a concourse in full public view and just lays the westie pilot out cold with one punch. One solid punch in the jaw will do it. Break that jaw and hear it SNAP! Hopefully, Jerry Glass and Al Heminway will be there to see it and they will snicker themselves silly. Welcome to The World Where the Pigs Live. That is where Jerry and Al live and you are making yourselves comfortable there. <_<

Lets stay on the topic.

 

[barbeetantrums]

Lets stay on the topic.

I am very much on topic. I couldn't be any more on topic. I am on topic like a laser beam.

 

[CactusFlyr]

Ya Know,

When I was with TWA that exact thing happened in MIA, with the AA guy taking the first shot. Did not work out to well for him in more ways than one. I suggest we keep it professional.

 

[exB717Flyer]

If this were not a windfall (against alpa merger policy) then you and your cohorts would be just fine with keeping operations separate.

That's a mighty presumptive assumption. The West knows we're moving over to the East Certficate, all new airplanes are going to the East, and we've been stagnant since the merger announcement while East recalls. We want a new contract and we don't want to burn down our own airline. So your presumption is quite incorrect. The West didn't expect to "win" the arbitration, in fact, we were quite nervous about it. Was the East?

And BTW, your "against alpa merger policy" statement is an opinion, not a fact. Kind of like you saying that a US Supreme Court ruling is "against the law".

 

[SKY HIGH]

Sorry,

AWA pilots did not ask for everything from this ACQUISITION.
If they had, we would have been seeking a staple. We took the middle road, and that is approximately where it ended.

sky high states: WELL, HERE IT IS, "1989" ALL OVER AGAIN. That acquisition word, being thrown around again.

What was it, that you paid for US?

only stating opinions.