No pension increase for you!

[MrAeroMan]

This is the most stupid thing I have ever read. Some how a belief in a strong middle class is turned into a Robbin Hood complex? Now who's pontificating from a position of ignorance. "give no incentive to move up the socio-economic ladder"? What the hell does that mean? Has there been some law passed by democrats to take away an incentive for people to better themsleves? IF you mention any form of welfare your full if s(*t. If you think its an incentive you have a fundimental lack of understanding just how little that welfare check is.

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's stupid...oh wait.. I forgot...you're a liberal.
Liberals have always said they want the rich to pay more to give to the lower income people in this country a break and provide more for them so they don't have to provide for themselves. The problem with that is since 1965 we have spent over 8 Trillion dollars on fighting the war on poverty. That's TRILLION WITH A T!! It's almost more than three times the amount spent on WWII in year 2000 dollars.

Total Cost of the War on Poverty

The financial cost of the War on Poverty has been enormous. Between 1965 and 2000 welfare spending cost taxpayers $8.29 trillion (in constant 2000 dollars).
See for yourself

The war on poverty comes in more forms that a check. The liberals have seen to it that each of the heads of the monster is small but with so many heads it's a monster that just won't die. What has that gotten this country except another generation hooked on welfare money and all the liberals want to do is to give more. Their policies have done nothing but make sure they have a base to keep in poverty so they can stay in power by keeping the poor poor.
Of course the rich can afford it right?? Well just who are the rich in a liberals world? It would be those that make more than $29,000.00 per year yet they never tell you that.
Liberals give no incentive to move up the economic ladder because all they want to do is expand the welfare programs that keep people trapped in an endless cycle of poverty. They want the poor to stay poor and to stay needy to the welfare state and to the liberals who fund them. Liberals are like crack dealers and their junkies are the poor.
So if you think the welfare system isn't the cause of the Robin Hood complex in this country you've got your head buried someplace I don't want to think about. :blink:

 

[Miss_Ann_Thrope]

. . . you've got your head buried someplace I don't want to think about. :blink:

Is this what you don't want to think about MrAeroMan????

Sorry . . . I just had to post that picture because it was perfect for your post. By the way, I'm a liberal Democrat from the Northeast.

 

[delldude]

Is this what you don't want to think about MrAeroMan????


By the way, I'm a liberal Democrat from the Northeast.

We'll try and rescue you ASAP.

 

[MrAeroMan]

Don't apologize...I thought it was funny! As for being a liberal democrat living in the NE all I can say is I'm sorry. ;-)

 

[Seatacus]

By the way, I'm a liberal Democrat from the Northeast.

Are you bragging or complaining???????

 

[Miss_Ann_Thrope]

Are you bragging or complaining???????

Just telling you a little of who I am . . . maybe bragging a little - surely not apologizing and definitely not complaining.

 

[Seatacus]

Just telling you a little of who I am . . . maybe bragging a little - surely not apologizing and definitely not complaining.

Just curious?? Are you under 30 years old or over....?

 

[Miss_Ann_Thrope]

Just curious?? Are you under 30 years old or over....?

Over . . . why? What difference does age make?

 

[sentrido]

The war on poverty comes in more forms that a check....

Sorry, you haven't made your case. If your argument is that you think we spend to much money on welfare as a whole, then your conservative funded Heritage Foundation Study applies. What you haven't done is address my point that our welfare system does not provide an incentive for people not to climb the economic ladder.

If you really dissagree with me, then I assume you are on welfare and plan to be forever?

 

[delldude]

may I?

What you haven't done is address my point that our welfare system does not provide an incentive for people not to climb the economic ladder.

It never really did to my understanding...in fact lots make the adjustment to that style of living and learn to "tweek" the system and live happily ever after.
One can really supplement their income with all kinds illegal means....or under the table ways.
Originally it was to fill a gap in employment if and when things got that bad....not to be a hand out with no planned exit.
You will get an arguement here from some who say that is the way liberalism works...unintended consequences.

 

[PITbull]

It's true that there 44,000,000 without insurance. Of that number there are many who can afford it who choose not buy insurance. My son is one of them. He can afford it but doesn't want it. I told him it is not a wise thing to do but that is his choice Many young people choose to spend their money on other things. It's all about priorities. He is also in college. There are many without insurance who have health problems and just need to walk into any emergency room and they won't be turned away. In the last three years I have been making weekly trips to medical facilities and have witnessed first hand those without insurance being treated. I have spoken to many financial people with the clinics and they have said many patients are being treated for free or the government is picking up the tab. Many of these people are immigrants and are in the social system and everything is paid for. They even get an interpreter.
Actually a lot of the taxes that people pay go to people who don't pay taxes. It's called income redistribution. Did you know that the top 50% of all income earners pay 96% of all income taxes.

Did you ever stop to ponder why? Could it be possible in the thinking of the "right" that the top 50% income earners are the ones that don't have enough tax shelters to cover ALL their income?

Nah, I don't think your mind would let you.

With regard to your son and my daughter...I can assure you (as a family we went over it) my daughter doesn't make the income to afford health care and grad school. Perhaps yours does.

Your point not made or well taken.

 

[local 12 proud]

With regard to your son and my daughter...I can assure you (as a family we went over it) my daughter doesn't make the income to afford health care and grad school. Perhaps yours does.

Your point not taken.

Perhaps jesse jackson and his sidekick al sharpton will make up the difference!....

 

[PITbull]

may I?
It never really did to my understanding...in fact lots make the adjustment to that style of living and learn to "tweek" the system and live happily ever after.
One can really supplement their income with all kinds illegal means....or under the table ways.
Originally it was to fill a gap in employment if and when things got that bad....not to be a hand out with no planned exit.
You will get an arguement here from some who say that is the way liberalism works...unintended consequences.

Your entire thought process is just PLAIN wrong.

That is not how a liberal thinks! Only those rightees would believe that crap above...to make excuses to justify their own "means" cause that is what they practice.

 

[sentrido]

may I?
It never really did to my understanding...in fact lots make the adjustment to that style of living and learn to "tweek" the system and live happily ever after.
One can really supplement their income with all kinds illegal means....or under the table ways.
Originally it was to fill a gap in employment if and when things got that bad....not to be a hand out with no planned exit.
You will get an arguement here from some who say that is the way liberalism works...unintended consequences.

I guess. I thought the "hand out part with no planned end" was fixed by the welfare reform we did in the 90's?

As for the illegal supplimentation, isnt that kinda bettering yourself? 🙂 I really have no respect for those who abuse the system ( like collecting in 4 or 5 states ) and of course feel they should be punished accordingly.

You know, when having these types of discussions I think its more usefull to talk about specific issues. "Liberalism" and "conservatism" have such broad meaning that the terms are really useless here.

 

[Seatacus]

With regard to your son and my daughter...I can assure you (as a family we went over it) my daughter doesn't make the income to afford health care and grad school. Perhaps yours does.

Your point not made or well taken.

So your saying your daughter feels that given a choice between healthcare and grad school she chose grad school(you said she couldn't do both). That's what I am saying, many people can afford it but choose other things. I don't know what percentage it is but I would think that there is a lot of those 44,000,000 without healthcare that are like your daughter and my son. Young people sometimes feel the risk is worth it. As for my son, he makes $8.50 an hour part time as a airline agent and the healthcare costs would take a good chunk of his pay and he would rather not. It is his choice.

Did you ever stop to ponder why? Could it be possible in the thinking of the "right" that the top 50% income earners are the ones that don't have enough tax shelters to cover ALL their income?

I don't think you got the point....... It's the top 50% of all income earners pay 96% of all income taxes. This is after they have used their tax shelters and write-offs and all that other stuff. The bottom 50% covers the the last 4%, which is where I am.

Over . . . why? What difference does age make?

Over 30? Just wondering. You are probably pretty much set in your views then. I was going to throw in another Churchill quote but I changed my mind. By the way, good screen name. Very clever.