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How very sad. Good for the Schalks.
As a former employee of three airlines and now in a succesful alternate career after the NWA scab fest, I can attest that life is indeed good on the outside.
Chuck Schalk
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Remeber it was management who affectionately told us on more than one occasion " You don't have to stay, you have choices". After 16 years of service that was our snap back of comforting wisdom and working together!
Hopeful,
If you need help taking your head out of your proverbial rear end, let me know, I'll help. You're kidding right? If you think for one second that execs are staying at AMR for the money then you clearly haven't read a newspaper or watched tv news or listened to radio news in quite some time.
Let's take AMR's CFO for instance...I would bet you a lot of money that he's just working there for fun at this point. He made his money when he left AMR for AT&T where he collected MILLIONS to sell the company to one of their spurned babies. Timing for him was great. AT&T (the new version) didn't need him so he came back to AMR because Brundage left for a lot of money elsewhere. Just because you choose to stay where you are in the profession you are in doesn't make everyone a bad person.
If you need help taking your head out of your proverbial rear end, let me know, I'll help. You're kidding right? If you think for one second that execs are staying at AMR for the money then you clearly haven't read a newspaper or watched tv news or listened to radio news in quite some time.
Let's take AMR's CFO for instance...I would bet you a lot of money that he's just working there for fun at this point. He made his money when he left AMR for AT&T where he collected MILLIONS to sell the company to one of their spurned babies. Timing for him was great. AT&T (the new version) didn't need him so he came back to AMR because Brundage left for a lot of money elsewhere. Just because you choose to stay where you are in the profession you are in doesn't make everyone a bad person.
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I guess you weren't in the JFK terminal maintenance office when Bob Reding stated to us he had suffered too with the paycuts. AMR needs to retain the "KEY" management people to guide us through the tough times so they get compensated for it. As for the rest of us , well, if we don't like it we can quit.
You are the one with your head in your rear end.
Great video, nothing new here.
Just yesterday in the Wall Street Journal there was another similar article, concerning even more families affected by airline woes.
Even in outsourced jobs, the turnover ratio is over 50%. The new company AirServ at JFK, lost over 100 workers in less than two weeks.
The bottom line here is that, it's a race to the bottom, no time for sorrow in this business, this is business at it's worst.
As Uncle Carl once said, if you want a friend in this business, get a dog.
Just yesterday in the Wall Street Journal there was another similar article, concerning even more families affected by airline woes.
Even in outsourced jobs, the turnover ratio is over 50%. The new company AirServ at JFK, lost over 100 workers in less than two weeks.
The bottom line here is that, it's a race to the bottom, no time for sorrow in this business, this is business at it's worst.
As Uncle Carl once said, if you want a friend in this business, get a dog.
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<_< -----Hey! The Old man is making more in retirement from Pan Am, than we are from TWA!---- I know! Who said life was fair?--- 😉
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Correct in context, but Jeff Brundage is still very much at AMR. I think you meant James Beer, who left AMR for Symantec in February 2006 (he'd been CFO since 2003 after Jeff Campbell resigned to go to McKesson).
There truly are a few execs and many managers who stick around for love of the game, and not for the money. I firmly believe Arpey is one -- he could double or triple his net worth by going just about anywhere right now. Likewise with Richardi and Brundage. Ralph could have retired five years ago and been perfectly content, but all three of them stick around because they're airline junkies.
I hear that a lot from y'all, but from firsthand knowledge, managers and VP's at AMR don't have that type of lattitude except in very rare cases. I've never actually seen it done, although I suspect it's kept fairly quiet when it is.
When I told my VP about getting a outside job offer, I had no expectation for AMR to even try match my new salary, but even if they had, I'd already made my decision that I'd had enough, and had all my i's dotted and t's crossed before I even let on to the fact that I was leaving.
I suspect that is probably the case with most managers and above -- once they make up their minds to consider other offers, they're leaving regardless.
Having retention programs does help keep managers from looking for outside opportunities, but it won't stop the headhunters from calling and tempting them, which is what happened with me.
When people who dont need it take money from people who do, it does make them "bad people". You claim they dont need the money, yet they screwed us over and gave themselves payraises they didnt need.
Good article by the way.
One good thing is that as more and more of Tulsa pick up second jobs they are more likely to vote NO since not all their income is put at risk.
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What is happening more and more is the job is just part of a strategdy to make a living. No one I know in this place who has any ability is planning long term here. Just because someone with a pulse is on the clock doesn't mean anything is being accomplished. The way its going all you are going to have is a training center for kids out of school trying to get some polish and guys who can't get off their a$$es.
And the Jockeys are people like Jim Little.
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These people in the "ivory towers" are the very ones who "managed" their airlines (or other companies in other industries, for that matter) into the ground. These are the first people that should be shown the door by the board(s) and not rewarded for their incompetence. They whine and ##### about unions, but it would seem they have their own, however unspoken it is.
