Obama: 'War In Iraq Is Over'; All Troops Will Withdraw By Year's End

[777 fixer]

NK is not an anthill. China still supports NK and Vietnam. Both support their agenda.
If it were not for the Chinese, the Korean war would be over.

China and Vietnam have been enemies for the past thousand years. While they may have taken aid from China during the Vietnam War as soon as that ended they were at each others throats four years later. Why do you think Vietnam is cozying up to the USA? Becasue they fear China more than they fear us.

 

[xUT]

Good. Then you know that staying in SA for a bit and living in Iran are two completely different things. Having spent several thousand hours in both locales, and away from americanised installations to boot, I can say without concern of contradiction that all comparisons are virtually irrelevant. Esfahan and KKMC ("Emerald City") are not interchangeable...

Never seen KKMC, I lived on the economy in Taif as a civilian. No compound, no buffer.
I doubt that you staying at the Intercontinental Hotel shuttled by chauffeur's gives you much insight on either culture.

DOH!

 

[777 fixer]

Yeah I was upset with Truman in Korea, Kennedy/Johnson in Viet Nam, Reagan in Grenada and Panama and Bush/Obama in Iraq. Afghanistan, Libya and Yemen as well.

Whoever came up with that list might want to open up their own mind and stop worrying about other people's minds.

Revolutionary war, without that we would not exist in our present form. Instead of having men like Washington and Jefferson on our money we would have monarchs the product of centuries of inbreding.

War of 1812, that was the Brits trying to strong arm us. The White House was burned to the ground not Buckingham Palace.

Without the Civil War how much longer would have the institution of slavery laster. Do not let yourself be fooled by the revisionists, it was about slavery.

I don't know what history book this person read but our involvment in WW1 was from 1917-1918, a little over a year and a half.

World War 2 started for us when the Japanese attacked, not the other way around. The world would have been a very dark place id the axis powers had prevailed. Of course the writer of this list fails to mention that.

Korean War, that was us coming to the aid of an ally. Just compare North and South Korea and tell me we did the wrong thing.

The Cold War really was not a war, that's why they called it the Cold War.

Grenada did not last a year.

And niether did Desert Storm.

Just do the math and it does not even come close to 209 years.

 

[Dog Wonder]

If you do the math, he was mad at Truman in Korea before he was born.

 

[DarkSnowyNight]

Never seen KKMC, I lived on the economy in Taif as a civilian. No compound, no buffer.
I doubt that you staying at the Intercontinental Hotel shuttled by chauffeur's gives you much insight on either culture.

DOH!

So, as sadly usual, your defense for being totally wrong about something is to just make stuff up about other users to fit your preconceived notions... Color me surprised.

Interestingly enough, I actually have stayed at nice hotels in the ME and been driven around in a sedan (well once anyway...) but intercontinental was not the name, for your information of course. Nor did it have anything to with my time in Iran. But then I've also attended several demonstrations (which are actually a great deal more staged than westerners seem to realize, in truth) throughout Iran (and once in Syria) that a sheltered american contractor such as yourself would likely not have survived. Just saying...

The point is that you really shouldn't talk about Iran as though you know anything about it when you are willing to lump it in with the rest of the ME, particularly Arab Nations. I can assure that it is not what you think, and so clearly want it to be.

Also for the record, I've passed through the city you're referring to one occasion, and as ME cities go, Ta'if (in case you're interested in spelling it right) is most definitely a very western friendly city (as KSA towns go). You'd hardly need the protection of a compound there. It is, after all, considered a second Riyadh during the summer months. If you want something to talk about, you should get out more.

 

[xUT]

So, as sadly usual, your defense for being totally wrong about something is to just make stuff up about other users to fit your preconceived notions... Color me surprised.

And yet your inference that I was sheltered in KKMC is not your preconceived notion. :wacko:
Color me 'not' surprised. 😛

Interestingly enough, I actually have stayed at nice hotels in the ME and been driven around in a sedan (well once anyway...) but intercontinental was not the name, for your information of course. Nor did it have anything to with my time in Iran. But then I've also attended several demonstrations (which are actually a great deal more staged than westerners seem to realize, in truth) throughout Iran (and once in Syria) that a sheltered american contractor such as yourself would likely not have survived. Just saying...

"sheltered american contractor such as yourself" See "preconceived notions", maybe you can tell me how I was 'sheltered'.

Also for the record, I've passed through the city you're referring to one occasion, and as ME cities go, Ta'if (in case you're interested in spelling it right) is most definitely a very western friendly city (as KSA towns go). You'd hardly need the protection of a compound there. It is, after all, considered a second Riyadh during the summer months. If you want something to talk about, you should get out more.

🙄 Taif is just fine as there is no direct translation from Arabic to English. I've seen it spelled many ways and 'Taif' being the most popular (except for wiki).

Driving from Jeddah (better correct me on this one as well... ) to Taif, you will see this sign:

Maybe you should get your pretentious head out of your ass more... DOH!

 

[DarkSnowyNight]

Taif is just fine as there is no direct translation from Arabic to English. I've seen it spelled many ways and 'Taif' being the most popular (except for wiki).

Driving from Jeddah (better correct me on this one as well... ) to Taif, you will see this sign:

I guess you'd think that if you didn't mind pronouncing it wrong, (this, among very many other things, would be why you appear to be a sheltered american christian. If that is somehow not the case I suggest you try being a lot less defensive about the issue). Languages that do not have direct translation cognates use what's known as transliteration, hence the addition of punctuation in what would otherwise be the middle of a word. The way you type that name implies a different pronunciation entirely. But since I make you insecure about these things, feel free to continue doing it "your way." 😉

For the record, rigid atheist that I am, my background is not Sunni, and therefore, though Muslim in heritage, I am required to take the non-muslim route along that road. It is my understanding, however, that the saudis will happily bend that rule for american tourists and contractors.

 

[xUT]

I guess you'd think that if you didn't mind pronouncing it wrong, (this, among very many other things, would be why you appear to be a sheltered american christian. If that is somehow not the case I suggest you try being a lot less defensive about the issue). Languages that do not have direct translation cognates use what's known as transliteration, hence the addition of punctuation in what would otherwise be the middle of a word. The way you type that name implies a different pronunciation entirely. But since I make you insecure about these things, feel free to continue doing it "your way." 😉

Thanks for the laugh. Your attempt in deflection and insulting arrogance is noted...

For the record, rigid atheist that I am, my background is not Sunni, and therefore, though Muslim in heritage, I am required to take the non-muslim route along that road. It is my understanding, however, that the saudis will happily bend that rule for american tourists and contractors.

Religious declaration on arrival is a non option. IRRC, "Atheist" declaration is a red flag.
If you do business in KSA 'openly' as an "Atheist" I would be surprised.

B) xUT

 

[DarkSnowyNight]

Religious declaration on arrival is a non option. IRRC, "Atheist" declaration is a red flag.
If you do business in KSA 'openly' as an "Atheist" I would be surprised.

B) xUT

So would I. I said I was an atheist, not a moron... This is the same place that put a man on death row for "sorcery." Very fortunately, my business with the saudis is long since concluded anyway...


You may, however, be interested to know that in Iran, doing business as an atheist is not reviled, or even discouraged, so long as certain boundaries remain respected.

 

[SparrowHawk]

So would I. I said I was an atheist, not a moron...

Is there a difference? 😀

 

[tech2101]

Is there a difference? 😀

Ask God.

 

[delldude]

Ask God.

God doesn't believe in Atheists.

 

[tech2101]

God doesn't believe in Atheists.

Is that what he said?

 

[xUT]

Is that what he said?

If you don't believe it, ask Him... B)

 

[Ms Tree]

Is there a difference? 😀

Huge difference. Atheist believe in the sciences and logic. Morons belive in and magical hand in the sky.