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Because of the government shutdown, the White House is under attack — by squirrels. They've invaded the White House garden because the gardeners were laid off. Michelle Obama planted a garden to show how easy it is to grow your own food. All you need is water, sunlight, and 50 full-time federal employees.
 
Because of the government shutdown, the White House is under attack — by squirrels. They've invaded the White House garden because the gardeners were laid off. Michelle Obama planted a garden to show how easy it is to grow your own food. All you need is water, sunlight, and 50 full-time federal employees.

Apparently it just wasn't easy for her to pick HER garden !
 
DMV would be a perfect example of a valid states interest so long as the rules and regulations are applied equally.

The DMV is a perfect example of why we don't want the government taking over our health care system.
 
I dont want them takining it over either. Just want a single payer system. And I want the profit motive out.
 
Yeah, because no one should make a profit !

Doctors, hospitals and Pharmacies are in the business to make money. If you are at a doctors or hoslital do trust them to do what is your best interest or theirs? Do you trust them to do it every single time?

Do you really trust corporations the do the right thing? Trust Ford? How about BP? Haliburton (shower instaltions if you want to look it up). Bottom line is corporations act in their best interest. Should those interests over lap with yours, great. If not, too bad.
 
I dont want them takining it over either. Just want a single payer system. And I want the profit motive out.

Ah yes, removing any profit motive's a stunningly brilliant idea! I mean really....Who needs all that silly cancer research, those brilliantly and ever-increasingly improved prosthetic limbs, the development of far better replacement hip/knee and perhaps shoulder joints, new drugs to fight infectious diseases and possibly, even effective counters to deadly viruses? No matter, since I've no doubt that a few well-healed socialists will just step up and donate billions to replace any funds lost from seeking profit from such foolsih things as research and development.

The supply of fresh medical students that just can't wait to incur obscene amounts of debt to put themselves through med school wouldn't be at all diminished either. Heck, even a lifetime radiologist friend's considering retiring in disgust, but so what? We all know that profit's just pure, 100 percent evil, and never motivates anyone towards any research achievements or better technology of any kind, or even selecting a professional field to work in, so I guess it's all for the best....

"Do you really trust corporations to do the right thing?" Not at all, but I trust them to pursue profits, which is what motivates research and development. Do you, even CAN anyone in their right mind trust self-serving little politicians to do other than look after themselves? Oh yes indeed...I'm sure the same scum that nowadays barricade open-air Memorials and even remove handles from water fountains wouldn't ever do anything against the common person's best interest. It's not as if any government institution like the IRS has recently targeted anyone or anything, so I've got complete faith in them to always do the right thing for all of us. Aw nuts! My unicorn's double-parked and I'd best get going.
 
Doctors, hospitals and Pharmacies are in the business to make money. If you are at a doctors or hoslital do trust them to do what is your best interest or theirs? Do you trust them to do it every single time?

Do you really trust corporations the do the right thing? Trust Ford? How about BP? Haliburton (shower instaltions if you want to look it up). Bottom line is corporations act in their best interest. Should those interests over lap with yours, great. If not, too bad.

No I expect Doctors and Nurses to work for free. Oh and just bought my 3rd Ford pickup, so yes, I trust them.................Next!
 
Ah yes, removing any profit motive's a stunningly brilliant idea! I mean really....Who needs all that silly cancer research, those brilliantly and ever-increasingly improved prosthetic limbs, the development of far better replacement hip/knee and perhaps shoulder joints, new drugs to fight infectious diseases and possibly, even effective counters to deadly viruses? No matter, since I've no doubt that a few well-healed socialists will just step up and donate billions to replace any funds lost from seeking profit from such foolsih things as research and development.

The supply of fresh medical students that just can't wait to incur obscene amounts of debt to put themselves through med school wouldn't be at all diminished either. Heck, even a lifetime radiologist friend's considering retiring in disgust, but so what? We all know that profit's just pure, 100 percent evil, and never motivates anyone towards any research achievements or better technology of any kind, or even selecting a professional field to work in, so I guess it's all for the best....

"Do you really trust corporations to do the right thing?" Not at all, but I trust them to pursue profits, which is what motivates research and development. Do you, even CAN anyone in their right mind trust self-serving little politicians to do other than look after themselves? Oh yes indeed...I'm sure the same scum that nowadays barricade open-air Memorials and even remove handles from water fountains wouldn't ever do anything against the common person's best interest. It's not as if any government institution like the IRS has recently targeted anyone or anything, so I've got complete faith in them to always do the right thing for all of us. Aw nuts! My unicorn's double-parked and I'd best get going.

Tree believes the "Great and Powerful Government" should provide all the research, you talk about, above !
 
I dont want them takining it over either. Just want a single payer system. And I want the profit motive out.

Then the pendulum swings the other way with radical cost savings due to too many using the product......and elimination of coverages or treatment.

Did I say Death Panels?
 
Ah yes, removing any profit motive's a stunningly brilliant idea! I mean really....Who needs all that silly cancer research, those brilliantly and ever-increasingly improved prosthetic limbs, the development of far better replacement hip/knee and perhaps shoulder joints, new drugs to fight infectious diseases and possibly, even effective counters to deadly viruses? No matter, since I've no doubt that a few well-healed socialists will just step up and donate billions to replace any funds lost from seeking profit from such foolsih things as research and development.

The supply of fresh medical students that just can't wait to incur obscene amounts of debt to put themselves through med school wouldn't be at all diminished either. Heck, even a lifetime radiologist friend's considering retiring in disgust, but so what? We all know that profit's just pure, 100 percent evil, and never motivates anyone towards any research achievements or better technology of any kind, or even selecting a professional field to work in, so I guess it's all for the best....

"Do you really trust corporations to do the right thing?" Not at all, but I trust them to pursue profits, which is what motivates research and development. Do you, even CAN anyone in their right mind trust self-serving little politicians to do other than look after themselves? Oh yes indeed...I'm sure the same scum that nowadays barricade open-air Memorials and even remove handles from water fountains wouldn't ever do anything against the common person's best interest. It's not as if any government institution like the IRS has recently targeted anyone or anything, so I've got complete faith in them to always do the right thing for all of us. Aw nuts! My unicorn's double-parked and I'd best get going.

And yet somehow the countries who do have universal health care with a single payer system manage to trudge on. People are not dying in the streets. Heck, look at Israel. They even managed to come up with a handful of medical inventions. OK, it is a whole lot of medical innovations.

Canada, Germany, Sweden .... and all the other countries manage to dig up a doctor or two and somehow manage to trudge on. They do not make the vast amounts of money that they do here in the US but somehow, they still have medical care that surpasses the US. Last ranking I saw placed the US 18th.

profit has its's place. Do you think that a sales man who's salary is based on commission is inclined to sell you a cheaper product that will meet your needs or a more expensive product that has features you will never use? If a doctor is receiving kick backs from pharmacy companies do you think he will be more inclined to push their drugs over someone elses? If the hospital is looking to increase their bottom line do you think the doctors are going to feel the pressure to boost the revenue they generate?

There is no reason that medical students should incur the debt they do. I would not mind seeing a program where by medical school is covered by federal grants and in return the student will work for county or state hospitals for a predetermined number of years. The student gets a medical degree and the state gets a doctor for a few years. Same can be done for various other medical careers.

Yes, I've heard your mantra before. Corporations and capitalism good, government bad. Seems quite black and white. I live in a world with shades of gray. By the way, one of the top medical facilities in the US is a non-profit. They seemed to have made it work pretty well.
 
There is no reason that medical students should incur the debt they do. I would not mind seeing a program where by medical school is covered by federal grants and in return the student will work for county or state hospitals for a predetermined number of years. The student gets a medical degree and the state gets a doctor for a few years. Same can be done for various other medical careers.

Yes, I've heard your mantra before. Corporations and capitalism good, government bad. Seems quite black and white. I live in a world with shades of gray.

The Government Bans Doctors Who Can’t Repay Their Student Loans From Treating Medicare Patients

Over ten percent of all doctors and nurses on the government’s Medicare and Medicaid blacklist end up on it because they defaulted on government-backed student loans. Medical workers on the blacklist are barred from treating Medicare and Medicaid patients or receiving federal reimbursements for a predesignated time period.
 
Tree believes the "Great and Powerful Government" should provide all the research, you talk about, above !

And you believe the great and powerful corporations should be trusted to look out for the welfare of the citizens. Not like they don't have a stellar record right. Not like banks would knowingly make bad investments and pass them along. Not like a company would install showers that would kill people. Not like a pharmacy company would make drugs that kill people. Not like a company would manufacture a vehicle that is not safe.
 
Ms Tree, on 17 October 2013 - 10:15 PM, said:....... And I want the profit motive out.

profit has its's place.

Ms Tree: "I live in a world with shades of gray." More like live inside a kaleidoscope methinks.
 

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