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Kev3188

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I received this the other day via email-feel free to pass it along to any other Red Tailers you may know...


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P.S. Scabs please feel free to ignore this thread.
 
i think it is great that someone is finally trying to start a petition to oust the ceo. i wish we at USAIR had done that to CEO Rakeesh and Wolf. i think that it sounds as though Stelin is worse than Wolf and Rakeesh. is that true. Good luck to all of the unionized emoployees at NWA
 
The petition was created on October 11th, which was almost three months ago, yet there are only 472 signatures on it?
 
The petition was created on October 11th, which was almost three months ago, yet there are only 472 signatures on it?
My guess is that nobody knows about it. I think every employee at NWA, their family, friends, and enemies would sign it if it was presented to them.
 
My guess is that nobody knows about it. I think every employee at NWA, their family, friends, and enemies would sign it if it was presented to them.


Exactly (hence the posting on here).

FM--

It may have had 472 signatures when you responded, but it only had 378 when I posted it; that's gotta count for something! 🙂
 
to bad that other airline employees cant sign it unless they can!
 
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It may have had 472 signatures when you responded, but it only had 378 when I posted it; that's gotta count for something! 🙂

While I like the idea, the actual effect will be nil. This is aimed at a business not at a 'public servant'. You can have 472 or 472,000 signatures on this petition, and nothing will change whom is running the business. CEO's are not chosen for their 'American Idol' factor, nor do they need to be popular with the workforce. They are responsible only to the Board and investors. As long as that group sees progress to their goals and investments, then that person will stay on.

Petitions work well if aimed correctly. This is a waste of effort by the employees (current and former).

I am not and have never been a union member. That being said I firmly believe in the fairness of the great American system. The door was open for you to actually have an effect on what work conditions you were given. AMFA walked off to protest the working options they were given. It failed for the simple fact that they were not supported by their coworkers/fellow union members. Had the other unions (and hence the voice of the people) walked with the AMFA it would have narrowed the options down to two.

1. Northwest would have shut down. From the view of current AMFA workers it wouldn't be any worse than they have it now.

2. NWA would have been forced back to the table with the knowledge that not only would they have to deal fairly with the mechanics, but the rest of the workforce as well. After all if everyone stuck up for one work group then the other groups would also have their backs covered as well. Could he then take it to court. Maybe, but who would they have imposed the work rules on?

Back to original petition. Doug Steenland would have done everything in his power to get negotiations back on track. Why you ask? His ability to do his job would have been called to account by the same Board and investors had he shrugged his shoulders and let the company go away. He either would have came back to the table or been replaced by someone who would go back to the table. He didn't however due to the simple fact he did not have too. He had replacements for one work group, and the others did not make a fuss.

I also find it funny that this petition was started by an IAM member. You have no one other than the people to the left and right of you to blame for Mr. Steenland's continued employment.
 
Who do you plan on submitting the petition to, Steenland?

Jet Tech--

Did you miss the last sentence of the original post?


While I like the idea, the actual effect will be nil.

I know the "real" effect may be nil, but it's still an easy way for people to vent.

This is aimed at a business not at a 'public servant'. You can have 472 or 472,000 signatures on this petition, and nothing will change whom is running the business. CEO's are not chosen for their 'American Idol' factor, nor do they need to be popular with the workforce. They are responsible only to the Board and investors. As long as that group sees progress to their goals and investments, then that person will stay on.

I agree with you, but I think most folks would agree that Steenland has *not* been responsible to the investors.

Petitions work well if aimed correctly. This is a waste of effort by the employees (current and former).

Not if it makes some feel even a little less bitter or puts a smile on their face; if even for a moment.

I am not and have never been a union member. That being said I firmly believe in the fairness of the great American system. The door was open for you to actually have an effect on what work conditions you were given. AMFA walked off to protest the working options they were given. It failed for the simple fact that they were not supported by their coworkers/fellow union members. Had the other unions (and hence the voice of the people) walked with the AMFA it would have narrowed the options down to two.

1. Northwest would have shut down. From the view of current AMFA workers it wouldn't be any worse than they have it now.

2. NWA would have been forced back to the table with the knowledge that not only would they have to deal fairly with the mechanics, but the rest of the workforce as well. After all if everyone stuck up for one work group then the other groups would also have their backs covered as well. Could he then take it to court. Maybe, but who would they have imposed the work rules on?

I'm not an AMFA member.

For the record, I would have loved to see option #2. The IAM (and other unions) leadership ignored the voice of their membership(s), and went the easy route.



Back to original petition. Doug Steenland would have done everything in his power to get negotiations back on track. Why you ask? His ability to do his job would have been called to account by the same Board and investors had he shrugged his shoulders and let the company go away. He either would have came back to the table or been replaced by someone who would go back to the table. He didn't however due to the simple fact he did not have too. He had replacements for one work group, and the others did not make a fuss.

I also find it funny that this petition was started by an IAM member.

Just out of curiousity, why would you assume that only an AMFA member would/could start this? Why not someone from the IAM, ALPA, PFAA, TWU, NAMA, or ATSA?


You have no one other than the people to the left and right of you to blame for Mr. Steenland's continued employment.
 
Hi Kev3188,

I agree with the need to vent. I just stated the above to stop any disillusion that this was going to help change the current environment. If you look at the petition you will notice that most people did not even bother to leave a comment. This tells me that they thought their signature was good enough.

I think everyone except Steenland would have loved to had option 2 available. You made an interesting point however. “The IAM leadership ignored the voice of their membership(s), and went the easy route.â€￾ Is that not the entire reason for the existence of the union? Is this not why they want a portion of your pay every month? “Many people, One voiceâ€￾ type thing... If the voice does not represent the people then there is something inherently wrong with the system you live in, and that house needs cleaned for it to be effective.

I do apologize for the IAM comment. I did not take in account the date of the petition or the fact that the membership wanted to walk, but was held by the leadership.
 
Jet Tech--
Did you miss the last sentence of the original post?
Please answer the question.

Why is the goal set for 25,000 signatures? They seem to be having a hard time achieving it.

I couldn't tell you; I didn't start the poll.

As for the numbers, maybe it just took awhile to hit critical mass-two weeks ago it was at a whopping 17, as I type this, the current count is 1175.

Now please answer this:

What part of "Scabs feel free to ignore this thread" was lost on you?
 

Excellent points, Silent Warrior.

The disconnect between the leadership of this union the "guys on the floor" is unbelievable-and unfortunately getting larger by the day (For the record, what most of the masses want is a better tomorrow).

I-and many others- have tried/are trying to "clean house" from within; most of the time I feel like Sisyphus.
 
Kev3188 said:
As for the numbers, maybe it just took awhile to hit critical mass-two weeks ago it was at a whopping 17, as I type this, the current count is 1175.

Including Frank Lorenzo(twice), Ken Lay, Donald Nyrop, Doug Steenland(three times), George Bush, and a few dead serial killers, including Lizzie Borden, Adolph Hitler, Jeff Dahlmer. Plus a couple dozen duplicates because people hit enter twice or decided to sign more than once.

Regardless, while it might allow some NWA retirees and employees a chance to vent, it's still a futile effort.

The only sure way to remove him is for someone else to come up with a competing reorganization plan, and present it to the court. If there's another party at the table, the judge will be less willing to keep extending NWA's exclusivity period.
 

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