Philadelphia Airport Booms

[700UW]

Philadelphia Airport Booms; Neighbors Protest Runway Plans
Oct. 15 (Bloomberg) -- Philadelphia International Airport, expanding faster than any U.S. airport except New York's John F. Kennedy, may have its growth plans trimmed by protests from residents in Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Delaware.

``I go to sleep to the roar of airplanes flying over my house and I wake up to the same roar,'' said Edward Vanderslice, 67, a retired machinist from Wilmington, Delaware. ``The airport's lack of planning shouldn't destroy my quality of life.''

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[EricLv2Fish]

Philadelphia Airport Booms; Neighbors Protest Runway Plans
Oct. 15 (Bloomberg) -- ``The airport's lack of planning shouldn't destroy my quality of life.''

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Gee, perhaps the person who is complaining lacked proper planning. Let's see...live near an airport and expect not to hear airplanes flying overhead. Unreasonable expectation?

 

[robbedagain]

that sure sounds an awful lot like BWI except in BWI's case the airport was built long before the homes. those people chose to live in the area of the airport and planes and therefore they should complain they chose to do the living right near the airport

 

[AstroLounge]

Sounds like an even better reason to "pack up our toys " and move to a better playground. PHL does have incredible people mass from the surrounding NY/NJ/DL/MD/PA areas but at the expense of pissing off all the connecting passengers that are subjected to the continual drama, inefficeint operation, excuse ridden circus is it really prudent to keep funnelling this traffic into PHL? Last I checked airlines are a means of TRANSPORTATION, yet Customer Service seems to be where the emphasis needs to improve. This facility cannot even meet the customers expectations let alone Exceed Them.......this airport needs to seriously get its act together or the connecting traffic will look elsewhere.

 

[tahitigirl]

After reading that article I just have to wonder if we will add flights back into other airports? Why not take back a little ground in BWI, and add flights into IAD, DCA, LGA or BOS?

Of course PIT is being under utilized and it happens to be able to handle all the bad weather and traffic you can send their way.

 

[careerfurloughee]

Gee, perhaps the person who is complaining lacked proper planning. Let's see...live near an airport and expect not to hear airplanes flying overhead. Unreasonable expectation?

Not to mention the fact he bought the house at 30% less than the same house not near and airport. Wasn't complaining then I bet.

 

[PHL]

"Planes come at under 2,000 feet, below the ceiling set by the FAA...."

Interesting comment. The Class B floor over the city of Wilmington is 3000', transitioning to 1500' as you go up the river towards PHL. I find it hard to believe that a.) a pilot or b.) an ATC controller would direct the plane to either 1000' (over Wilmington) or 500' below sea level.....

I think that person needs some depth perception...among other things.

Before South Jersey started to boom just 5-8 years ago, it would have been an ideal place to find a few farms and create a new airport, Denver style, right over the Commodore Barry bridge. Not gonna' happen now. PHL is stuck.

However, with the population boom in the Northern and NW suburbs of Philly, there's no reason that LUV and LCC, among others, shouldn't capitalize on those people and utilize ABE more.

 

[dukeman]

I live in Wilmington and I don't get all these complainers. The airport has been there before most of the house were built. And for those newer homes the buyers had to realize their proximity to PHL.

I actually like it when PHL is landing to the East. From my house I can watch the planes turn to the East as they approach PHL. I enjoy the noise. I didn't really notice it until I went to college. I was at school in a small town that didn't get much air traffic (ITH). When I came home for my first break I realized that I missed that airplane sound (that was 14 years ago).

 

[jimntx]

I own a home on the north edge of IAH in the Houston area. And, I mean literally on the edge. The entrance to the subdivision dead ends into FM1960, a major north Houston artery, across the road from the airport property and the lip (I think it's called) of the new runway that was opened last year.

There was a major stink from some of the homeowners about their lives being "destroyed" by the new runway, and yada, yada, yada. They were claiming that pictures were falling off the walls from vibration; their cars were being coated with fine sprays of hydraulic fluid; you name it.

It was all a ploy to force the airport to buy their homes at greater than market value. The airport stood its ground, and the only result was that all the bad publicity lowered the property values for ALL of us in the subdivision.

Some facts that helped the airport's case.

1. Intercontinental Airport Houston opened in June, 1969. The first homes in our subdivision were occupied in late 1975 or early 1976. I moved in in June, 1976.
2. That runway was under construction for almost 3 years (IIRC). There was ample opportunity to sell and move if you were concerned about noise.
3. In the last 29 years, I have never been waked up by an a/c going overhead. I have never had hydraulic fluid sprayed on my home, yard, or vehicle by an a/c going overhead. And, the only time I've ever had a picture fall off the wall was the time I tried to hang a picture using a wood nail in drywall (did I mention that I'm not as handy as I could be? )

 

[libertybell]

Didnt one of the more recent supreme court rulings open the door to imment domain? (think that how you say it) If so most people will find out in the not to distant future that the airport may expand right thru there neighborhood! I picture half of Tinicum Township gone thru the use of this law. If it betters the economy for the whole of the surrounding tri state area then I bet that it will happen.

 

[Atlantic]

most days PHL is taking off and landing to the west. Landings come in from the east, usually 3,000ft. before cleared for the approach. Below 1800ft., the aircraft is over the river, 500ft. next to the old Navy Yard.
tis should not effect any homes in the area, unless you are in the back yard. Maybe just a little background noise. Take offs are on the left runway, and call for a 25 degree turn to the left after take off. That puts the aircraft over the river. Not untill 3000ft.+ are aircraft turned to first nav. station
East landings and take offs, last week being an exception, are just a few days per month. Again, aircraft are over the river at 2000ft. and below. All US aircraft are Stage 3. That's about as quite as the come.

This dude's beef isn't with us.

 

[Light Years]

Flying into PHL the other day I noticed the name of the Shipyard has changed from Kvaerner to Ever or something.

Why doesn't US move more stuff into A-West during the day? It's like a big abandoned palace all afternoon.

 

[defender]

Sounds like an even better reason to "pack up our toys " and move to a better playground. PHL does have incredible people mass from the surrounding NY/NJ/DL/MD/PA areas but at the expense of pissing off all the connecting passengers that are subjected to the continual drama, inefficeint operation, excuse ridden circus is it really prudent to keep funnelling this traffic into PHL? Last I checked airlines are a means of TRANSPORTATION, yet Customer Service seems to be where the emphasis needs to improve. This facility cannot even meet the customers expectations let alone Exceed Them.......this airport needs to seriously get its act together or the connecting traffic will look elsewhere.

Maybe you should explain to US Airways why they should move their largest Revene Hub elsewhere and accept the risk of another (permanent) bankruptcy just because of a few noise complaints. Sounds like just another Pittsburgh whiner post. If you don't like PHL, please use/work at EWR or BWI - we won't miss you.

 

[SpinDoc]

Sounds like an even better reason to "pack up our toys " and move to a better playground.

SpinDoc replies:
PIT is a much better playground, but
the knuckleheads who used to be in
charge of US failed to recognize
the value that a convenient connection
affords to customers. Southwest
obviously sees value in PIT and will
continue to add capacity there.
Long term, PIT would benefit US
through less congestion and fuel
consumption, much lower baggage loss
and delivery costs, and invaluable customer
goodwill. But, alas, we all recognize that
the focus for the past 3 years at US
has not been long term. It has been
survival and paring of costs. PIT
definitely has higher up front costs,
but I guarantee as a stand alone hub,
it has much lower overall costs than
PHL due to the aforementioned items.

If I were a betting man, I would look
for the executive suite at HP to draw
down some of the connecting traffic
in PHL and bring it back to PIT. After
all, Doug Parker and his team are
certainly much wiser than the old
regime at US, and they recognize
value. Plus, there is cash in the bank
to make another run at PIT.

 

[RowUnderDCA]

Didnt one of the more recent supreme court rulings open the door to imment domain? (think that how you say it) If so most people will find out in the not to distant future that the airport may expand right thru there neighborhood! I picture half of Tinicum Township gone thru the use of this law. If it betters the economy for the whole of the surrounding tri state area then I bet that it will happen.

The recent Supreme Court decision turned on the need for local/state governments to have a 'public use' reason to condemn property. In that case the 'public use' had been cited by the local government as 'economic development' in the form of PRIVATE development to encourage jobs and increased tax base to save the town from drying up and blowing away. So, the point of law decided was that the 'public use' taking that is in the Constitution can now include taking somebody's house (for just compensation) to turn over to ANOTHER non governmental, private entity for use as a ...say... pharmaceutical factory.

I believe that almost any airport use had already been determined to be comfortably inside the definition of 'public use.' I guess if this condemned property were going to build and exclusive hangar for a specific tenant, then that might have been relevant to the New London case, but I doubt it.