USCREW
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There have been months when I've flown back-to-back-to-back all-nighters, and unless I wanted to drop; I'd be legal to fly them all week.
PHL scheduling pulling some questionable acts this morning
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Informed1
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I don't know how to tell if i'm skipped or not? Every time I ask scheduling how they cover trips, daily vs. quick calls, I never get a straight answer. I was on furlough for 3 yrs and just returned in June. This whole LTO system is new to me. Can anyone explain how to tell if you have been skipped and when scheduling should quick call vs. daily call?
Ok....Daily Call vs Quick Call:
Daily trip assignments are offered to blockholders waiting for a said trip on the bid sheet first. If no blockholder is waiting for the trip, crew scheduling will take the trip into the reserve book and process in LTO order to the first legal reserve flight attendant.
Quick call trips are trip that open within 2 hours of scheduled departure. If OPRs are on duty ,OPRs are offered the trips first. After that quick call trips will go to those whovolunteer for quick call. If no one is on the quick call list, crew sched will assign the trip to the most junior FA in base.
Daily trip assignments are offered to blockholders waiting for a said trip on the bid sheet first. If no blockholder is waiting for the trip, crew scheduling will take the trip into the reserve book and process in LTO order to the first legal reserve flight attendant.
Quick call trips are trip that open within 2 hours of scheduled departure. If OPRs are on duty ,OPRs are offered the trips first. After that quick call trips will go to those whovolunteer for quick call. If no one is on the quick call list, crew sched will assign the trip to the most junior FA in base.
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very detailed question & answer really with some "it depends" in there.
first if it's future and you are watching screen 18 then it'll show if those who are above you (less LTO) ROC'd or took a trip. You can only ROC for days off, vacation, training etc.. Secondly it will then show a number and those are the days they are on duty for. Ex: ROC 2
means the f/a remained on call and is available for 2 days.
Next, if a trip subsequently opens after future went past you then that trip will now go the the lowest(LTO) legal to fly the trip.
With Daily it depends if it's a quick call or not. 2 hours or less it goes to an OPR if they are on duty and available, then a senior reserve who made themselves available for a quick call, next comes the most Jr reserve on duty w/least amt of INV (off) days impacted, then the most Jr reserve on duty and finally when it's 2 hours or less and a "greater delay would be realized" then company can assign an OPR if one is scheduled to be on duty at the time of departure.
if it's not a quick call and just a plain ol daily call then the scheduler will just go down the list until its covered. Clear as mud right? :blink:
If you don't have a contract get one. Check out section 11.
Travelpro72
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When you are truly ready to read and learn your contract be sure to swing by your nearest law office to have it read to you. Some of it is absolutely insane and the examples sometimes given don't help. Scheduling does some shady stuff sometimes and they say they are following the rules. When I was on OPR as I stated a few posts before I watched these trips sit. Almost 3 hours. All of a sudden they are calling the OPR's. If the trip is 2 hours and OPR's are at the airport they MUST use the OPR's not offer. We had NO choice but to take them as it does read in the contract that way. What we kept asking scheduling was WHY are we being made to take these trips when they were open for hours. They were definately daily calls. At that point what do you do? Refuse to fly? Then what? It was a mess and every one of us were fuming.
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WHY are we being made to take these trips when they were open for hours. They were definately daily calls. At that point what do you do? Refuse to fly? Then what? It was a mess and every one of us were fuming.
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First of all ask the scheduler why it was not covered sooner esp. since you know what time it opened. Get that on the record, remember phone calls are recorded. Secondly I would NEVER advise a f/a to refuse to fly. Take the trip and contact your local union. If you can't get them try another base. But most importantly you have a MEC reserve chairperson Sherri B. who is working really hard but needs DOCUMENTATION! This is vital to have schedulers name, time etc...and again the recording will help verify that you asked these questions. As the Holidays approach this will be an important avenue for the reserves.
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First of all ask the scheduler why it was not covered sooner esp. since you know what time it opened. Get that on the record, remember phone calls are recorded. Secondly I would NEVER advise a f/a to refuse to fly. Take the trip and contact your local union. If you can't get them try another base. But most importantly you have a MEC reserve chairperson Sherri B. who is working really hard but needs DOCUMENTATION! This is vital to have schedulers name, time etc...and again the recording will help verify that you asked these questions. As the Holidays approach this will be an important avenue for the reserves.
They do this on PHX ALL the time! Trips sit in open time that are over 3 hours (sometimes more/less) and they sit on it and give it to "hot" (or your OPR)
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Thank you...also agree with your other post why would a RSV want a trip at month end??? Andy should take a job at crew skd to help them out...it took so long to cover if they all ROC or wanted to be REL...guess Andy's twisted he did not get the union job...
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Not at all! Brian will be great and I have already offered my help to him and the new officers of the local. Some people :down: , you don’t know me, if you did you wouldn’t make comments like that. My involvement is purely selfless. I was just letting folks know they may be entitled to a claim for the time. No trip should sit open for over an hour before its covered...another thing Scheduling cant just add OPRs as they wish, they have been adding two and three additional OPR's as daily calls and also adding additional OPR pairings out of their a$$ read section 11. They have to utilize the scheduled OPR’s before they can call out another (11.G.11) So anyone who sat on OPR as a "daily call" and missed a trip that went to another AVL daily f/a that they would have been able to hold is due that claim as well.
Travelpro72
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Well if adding additional OPR's is against the contract they sure don't seem to care. They just added an extra 4 OPR positions for today. Pairing 10493 9:30am to 1:15.
USCREW
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Just curious...why is adding additional OPRs against the contract? Wouldn't it be the same as systems adding necessary extra pairings (i.e. unpublished systems trips)? Is it stated in the contract that it's illegal to add OPRs?
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I don't know why or if it is illegal or not. I honestly don't see why but if it is they are doing it anyway. Was just going by what I had read a few posts above. I'll have to get out my contract and read the section. I think it's around here somewhere. Oh yeah it's holding the corner of my bed up. 
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http://www.afausairways.org/contract/index1.html
We allow the company to establish "past practice" by not enforcing our agreement or even knowing it...system irregularities due to unforeseen circumstances is much different…
USCREW
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Couldn't this statement be said on a daily basis allowing leeway for creation of systems pairing or extra OPR staffing at scheduling's discretion?
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