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Pilot and Mechanic Shortage

chris perry

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Boeing Reports of coming shortage...

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2011/06/22/boeing-world-will-need-1-million-new.html
 
That should be very good news for pilots and mechanics. Much better to work in a field with a shortage of qualified people than in a field with a surplus of workers. Supply and demand can be a good thing.

As to pilots, there may be an industry-wide shortage of pilots in coming years but I expect that UA, DL, AA and WN won't have any trouble filling openings for many years as they attract applicants from the low-paying regionals. The low-paying regionals, of course, may have significant difficulties down the road, as they don't offer max rates of $200+/hr plus all the "glamour" of flying long-haul international routes (applicable to UA, DL and AA but not applicable to WN, of course).

Mechanics? Same story, really. Lower-paid MRO employees will gravitate towards the UA, DL, AA and WN to seek higher wages. Dunno how those lower-paying employers will replace the lost employees unless mechanics lobby for changes in law that require heavy maintenance to occur in the USA.

Line maintenance is where mechanics will be paid bigger bucks than the "can be done anywhere" heavy overhaul. Just like in other fields (nursing), higher wages will eventually attract more workers to become trained and qualified. Once the majors are all paying $50/hr or more for line mechanics (as UPS already is), the remaining schools will fill with applicants.
 
That should be very good news for pilots and mechanics. Much better to work in a field with a shortage of qualified people than in a field with a surplus of workers. Supply and demand can be a good thing.

As to pilots, there may be an industry-wide shortage of pilots in coming years but I expect that UA, DL, AA and WN won't have any trouble filling openings for many years as they attract applicants from the low-paying regionals. The low-paying regionals, of course, may have significant difficulties down the road, as they don't offer max rates of $200+/hr plus all the "glamour" of flying long-haul international routes (applicable to UA, DL and AA but not applicable to WN, of course).

Mechanics? Same story, really. Lower-paid MRO employees will gravitate towards the UA, DL, AA and WN to seek higher wages. Dunno how those lower-paying employers will replace the lost employees unless mechanics lobby for changes in law that require heavy maintenance to occur in the USA.

Line maintenance is where mechanics will be paid bigger bucks than the "can be done anywhere" heavy overhaul. Just like in other fields (nursing), higher wages will eventually attract more workers to become trained and qualified. Once the majors are all paying $50/hr or more for line mechanics (as UPS already is), the remaining schools will fill with applicants.

Maybe the Chinese workers will help us. Read here http://behindthewall.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/14/7763968-chinas-soaring-costs-could-help-american-jobs
 
Well...I can tell you guys one thing. My suspicion that AA wasn't getting the apps they wanted for the TULE AMT posting was absolutely true.
They've got guys in my new hire class from BizJet, oilfield hands, AAR and just about everywhere. That tells me the "pool" of heavy comml mechs
has in fact dried up. Or don't want to come to TUL for $20/hr starting. Further more, the recall at AA for it's mechs?... was a disaster.
Most had moved on(can you blame them, given the time frame?).( I'm, happy for the guys to get started in a major, but...)

Which should spell good news for us mechanics. But apparently AMR doesn't see it that way. As I looked around at my class, I wondered to myself...
"how many of these guys(most have never even been in a union before), would hold the line in the event of a strike?". Not that it would ever occur.
I think I know the answer. And so does AA and the TWU...

Just what TULE needs, huh??......unreal.
 
Dunno, outsiders not yet jaded by the airline industry could be the best thing to happen to TULE -- people who haven't been attached to the IAM or TWU teat for the past 20 years and are otherwise capable of independent and critical thought.

Get an AMP card under their noses quickly, and let them know why the recalls didn't want to come back...
 
Dunno, outsiders not yet jaded by the airline industry could be the best thing to happen to TULE -- people who haven't been attached to the IAM or TWU teat for the past 20 years and are otherwise capable of independent and critical thought.

Get an AMP card under their noses quickly, and let them know why the recalls didn't want to come back...

Five paid holidays, so-so to poor medical, a six month probationary period - these people sound like they're rather desperate for employment or were fed a line of crap to get them in the door.

The absolute best thing that could happen to TULE and the rest of the corp. , for that matter, is to get rid of a lot of the "inbreeding" you referred to some time ago, E, but it's doubtful the new hires are for filling those positions - just more peons and cannon fodder.

Such is life at the airlines - they'll learn soon enough what they got into and will leave in short order as did another group years ago.
 
It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. As FWAAA said, supply and demand will be at work in the process. If mechanics can negotiate a better living for themselves as a result, I say good for them. I think the process will actually benefit airlines in the sense that costs will go up (and hopefully end somewhat level) for all of them.
 
Maybe the Chinese workers will help us. Read here http://behindthewall.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/14/7763968-chinas-soaring-costs-could-help-american-jobs
Yes but how many TWU International Officers speak Chinese?

How many Yuan would their dues be?
 
Yes but how many TWU International Officers speak Chinese?

How many Yuan would their dues be?

Just change the fearfull twu slogans on t-shirts from English to Mandarin.

I wonder how "The best is yet to come" translates?

Yoo outa odor brudder!
 
It's kinda sad,I was hired in 1989 at General Dynamics at 17.00 dallars an hour. The benefits were totally free,medical ,dental and life insurance,short term disability both combined were around a dollar each. We had no prescription co-pay either free notta
dime. My first week there was during contract neg. Everyday at lunch employee's marched to the white house lawn as they called it. They used rope whistles to let management know they weren't accepting a contract without raises. It was so loud you couldn't hear yourself think....Where's the TWU? I had better representaion at Safeway
 
It's kinda sad,I was hired in 1989 at General Dynamics at 17.00 dallars an hour. The benefits were totally free,medical ,dental and life insurance,short term disability both combined were around a dollar each. We had no prescription co-pay either free notta

G-D still pays well, but the only thing left in aviation is Gulfstream, which is non-union. And that's why they pay well.

If you were at the Fort Worth plant which is now Lockheed, it would still be a pretty good deal under the IAM --- you'd now be paying for 13% of your healthcare premium, capped at $68 a week for families or $27 a week for individuals. In the PPO, you'd have a 90/10 for in-network or 70/30 for out of network; in the HMO, $20 copays, and $5/20/40 copays for prescriptions.

Holidays? Memorial, Labor, and Independence Day, plus two days at Thanksgiving and six for the Christmas Week closures. Not to shabby, but kind of hard to replicate for an airline who operates 365 days a year.

That contract expires next April, but when you're the world's largest defense contractor and can pass along all your overhead costs in a government contract, spare change for the unions is rarely a problem.
 
In line with the shortage of mechanics but a little off-kilter with the topic:

Would anyone, from the TWU Negotiations M&E Team, care to expound on the RFPs' sent from AA to the various 3P chop-shops on the 20-something B757s' waiting to fill the infamous TULE "white-spaces."

From what I have been told, the domestic 3P chop-shops told AA they would like the work but not now.

From what I have been told, the situation was discussed during negotiations and among the TWU M&E Negotiations Committee.

Was the refusal based on:
1) Capacity- either physical space or manpower; and/or,
2) Price- total cost out estimate by the 3Ps' over a specific time period versus costs associated with sitting the airframes for internally sourced availability.
 

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