Pilot Recalls

[whaledriver]

NWA informed ALPA that it anticipates recalling pilots sooner than previously scheduled due to higher than anticipated flying levels. NWA will begin the recall process by sending out 75 Preliminary Notices of Recall (PNRs) this week and plans to have 20-25 pilots in training this October.

 

[UAL_TECH]

NWA informed ALPA that it anticipates recalling pilots sooner than previously scheduled due to higher than anticipated flying levels. NWA will begin the recall process by sending out 75 Preliminary Notices of Recall (PNRs) this week and plans to have 20-25 pilots in training this October.

Does not appear to be enough to fill the FA slots. 😛

 

[groundcontrol]

NWA informed ALPA that it anticipates recalling pilots sooner than previously scheduled due to higher than anticipated flying levels. NWA will begin the recall process by sending out 75 Preliminary Notices of Recall (PNRs) this week and plans to have 20-25 pilots in training this October.

Do you really believe what NW says? They are just throwing the pilots a bone....it'll never happen, no time soon anyways.

Of course now NW will just blame the F/A's when this recall gets postponed...devide & conquer at its best.

Are you guys still that gullible?

 

[Don Smith]

Does not appear to be enough to fill the FA slots. 😛

Dang it UAL TECH...You took the words right out of my mouth
Can't wait to see pilots in aprons!

 

[ExAF]

That sounds about right. They'll send out 75 PNRs and hope to get 25-30 pilots to accept and go back to work there. GOOD LUCK! One out of three is probably a pretty good guess though. Most furloughed guys are moving on. Screw me once shame on you screw me twice...

 

[finman]

Do you really believe what NW says? They are just throwing the pilots a bone....it'll never happen, no time soon anyways.

Of course now NW will just blame the F/A's when this recall gets postponed...devide & conquer at its best.

Are you guys still that gullible?

If we fly the full marketing schedule as it stands now, then recalls are going to happen as stated. What would be the purpose of announcing something that won't happen? Are you just being cynical for the sake of being cynical? Please explain the tactical benefit to NWA of announcing recalls that we don't actually plan to recall.

 

[groundcontrol]

If we fly the full marketing schedule as it stands now, then recalls are going to happen as stated. What would be the purpose of announcing something that won't happen? Are you just being cynical for the sake of being cynical? Please explain the tactical benefit to NWA of announcing recalls that we don't actually plan to recall.

To keep their pilots happy of course.........

 

[Don Smith]

If we fly the full marketing schedule as it stands now, then recalls are going to happen as stated. What would be the purpose of announcing something that won't happen? Are you just being cynical for the sake of being cynical? Please explain the tactical benefit to NWA of announcing recalls that we don't actually plan to recall.

He said it...divide and conquer. If they announce that they are recalling 20 pilots and then at the last minute, before any training expenses can be charged, Blame a CHAOS action or something on any other employee group. Builds dissention in the ranks...you know...us against them. Typical nwa management tool ot promote encourage employee morale

 

[Kev3188]

Okay, let's assume that all of these recalls are to expand flying and not to cover attrition. Assuming all 75 accept, and that it's roughly 50/50, how much additional flying does that equate to?

 

[IORFA]

Not much

 

[finman]

Okay, let's assume that all of these recalls are to expand flying and not to cover attrition. Assuming all 75 accept, and that it's roughly 50/50, how much additional flying does that equate to?

Since recalls do not replace attrition directly (attrits occcur on CA seats and recalls are brought into FODC9 and FO320 seats), the 75 recalls would be covering flying demand. At 55 block hours per pilot, that's about 4,100 block hours that will be flown by these recalls after they get through training. They would be partially covering movement out of these FO seats that are filling demand in the FO757 seat to fund ATL flying in 2007.

Naturally, the staffing dynamics are fairly complex since pilots are only qualified to fly one of the 16 flying positions in a given month and flying demand by equipment changes from month to month. Since it takes a couple months to get a recall fully trained and ready to fly, recall notices have to occur about 3 months prior to the flying month in which they are needed. These recalls have been in the plan for months; it was just recently that they were officially announced due to reaching the lead time deadline.

This whole staffing process is much more complicated that it may appear on its surface, and I'd be more than willing to answer any questions people have about it.

 

[Don Smith]

This whole staffing process is much more complicated that it may appear on its surface, and I'd be more than willing to answer any questions people have about it.

OK heres a question...How many pilots does take to change a landing light bulb???

(Sorry Finman, I just couldn't resist. I know you're serious)

 

[groundcontrol]

This whole staffing process is much more complicated that it may appear on its surface, and I'd be more than willing to answer any questions people have about it.

Interesting that our own finman is the expert on this, ya know, the go to guy with any questions. Here I was waiting for a response from whaledriver since he was the original poster. Go figure...(not you finman its just a figure of speech)

 

[Kev3188]

They would be partially covering movement out of these FO seats that are filling demand in the FO757 seat to fund ATL flying in 2007.

So the plan to fly '57's across the Atlantic is a definite "go," then?

 

[whaledriver]

Since recalls do not replace attrition directly (attrits occcur on CA seats and recalls are brought into FODC9 and FO320 seats), the 75 recalls would be covering flying demand. At 55 block hours per pilot, that's about 4,100 block hours that will be flown by these recalls after they get through training. They would be partially covering movement out of these FO seats that are filling demand in the FO757 seat to fund ATL flying in 2007.

Naturally, the staffing dynamics are fairly complex since pilots are only qualified to fly one of the 16 flying positions in a given month and flying demand by equipment changes from month to month. Since it takes a couple months to get a recall fully trained and ready to fly, recall notices have to occur about 3 months prior to the flying month in which they are needed. These recalls have been in the plan for months; it was just recently that they were officially announced due to reaching the lead time deadline.

This whole staffing process is much more complicated that it may appear on its surface, and I'd be more than willing to answer any questions people have about it.

Finman, You are right on the money. Also, NWA will end up sending out more PNR's than expected. UAL and DAL had some very high pilot recall bypass rates 60-70%. I was told at one point it was 100 PNR's for 25 accepted for UAL or DAL, forgot which one. Most pilots have either found higher paying jobs or can not afford the pay cut. Others have a 'wait and see' attitude, we are going to have some major industry changes soon.