poor foundation

[PITbull]

Do we really have to go through this again?

Everything is not going to work perfectly for everyone. Since we are two different airlines until next may, things don't work as easily if we were all one right now.

The east furloughs may not have liked the offer to come over to AWA, and I can truly understand that. I don't know if I would like it. And yet, an offer was made.

I get the impression by mostly employees of the West that all should be swept under the carpet and...just move on.

The poster starter is correct. You are as good as your employees, and most of them come from the East (old U). There are 22,000 employees that have lost their jobs. They gave the ultimate sacrifice when THEY voted in the concession to right size the company. Now that the company is growing, the company should be hiring back these employees who still remain furloughed.

How in the heck can CWA allow the company to hire off the street, unless CWA tried to work with management but managment would not budge on paying hourly rates above "new hire" rates, which I've noticed is POVERTY.

 

[outsourcedphx]

Take a look on the hub...they have been posting jobs that should go to f/s agts furloughed for recall...instead they post these jobs and have job fairs to hire off the street.any wonder the probs they have been having with baggage,infighting amongst emp,an increase in emp apathy. they want to run a class operation but they want tohire kids from taco bell for 7.50/hr rather then honor their committment to the employees who helped them put this thing together.hp mgmt cannot distance themselves from past decisions because they were part of making those decisions....doesnt make any sense at all...encourage all furloughed employees to vote as is their right if an election is called. the company hides behind operational intergration....funny thing is those a/c in phx are parking at terminal 4...a/c says us airways..and us airways west employees are working us airways east jobs....adds up to a "poor foundation"

 

[luvn737s]

What kind of seniority and pay rate are we talking about for the furloughed F/S? What was the old pay rate and YOS for the most senior furloughee and what does the TA offer if they were recalled?

 

[azjetdude]

AWA is 'doing business as" US, no one has taken any East jobs away. Read the period of seperation part of the TA.

Also the jobs were offered to furloughed FA before any "off the street" hiring happens. So anyone who was furloughed could have worked for AWA. It may not have been what they wanted, but the opportunity was there.

And the EAST people are getting paid a minimum of 3 credit hours per day. Much better than the US pay for training, and much better than the US management got them...furloughed.

Everything isn't going to happen all at once, and everything isn't going to go perfectly.

How do you fix two airlines that would both be gone today if not for the merger?

It is clear that you must not have worked for any other airlines than US. Yes you got screwed by them. I have worked for 7 other airlines, some better than others.

If it wasn't for Doug, we would not be getting 3 new 757s and up to 50 190s, which will, by the way, be jobs for the East.

I really wish you guys would spend your time educationg yourselves.

 

[outsourcedphx]

AWA is 'doing business as" US, no one has taken any East jobs away. Read the period of seperation part of the TA.

Also the jobs were offered to furloughed FA before any "off the street" hiring happens. So anyone who was furloughed could have worked for AWA. It may not have been what they wanted, but the opportunity was there.

And the EAST people are getting paid a minimum of 3 credit hours per day. Much better than the US pay for training, and much better than the US management got them...furloughed.

Everything isn't going to happen all at once, and everything isn't going to go perfectly.

How do you fix two airlines that would both be gone today if not for the merger?

It is clear that you must not have worked for any other airlines than US. Yes you got screwed by them. I have worked for 7 other airlines, some better than others.

If it wasn't for Doug, we would not be getting 3 new 757s and up to 50 190s, which will, by the way, be jobs for the East.

I really wish you guys would spend your time educationg yourselves.

sorry but you are mistaken ...our jobs were contracted out and are now being worked by hp or us west emp....noone has been offered any recall to phx....phx continues to offer our jobs to new hires....

 

[PhxMama]

Us Airways may have been gone or almost gone but HP would STILL be here. It might not have survived in the long term, which by the way I am still not convinced. Sometimes I think they gave the shmoozing by saying that the investors invested in both companies as a whole entity so that West employees could not have everything their way and not throw out the, "well if it weren't for us you wouldn't have a job" line. As much respect for Pitbull as I have I will disgree with her. Many employees from the east and the west both understand we need to move forward but not forget the past. Hp employees do not have the same past so reactions are different. Its like telling jewish people after escapting concentration camps to forget about the holocaust and move on. You cant forget. Many survivors of the holocaust came to America and started over, had successful businesses and had families. Many lost so much they couldnt recover from the horrors. Those who did not live thru the holocaust can understand what happened but because they didnt live thru it were not as affected. Its easier for west employees to want to move forward but understand to create a unified company we need to do it together. I am not saying let the company have its way and they should be held accountable for hiring furloughed employees back instead of hiring off the street for poverty wages. You do not build any loyalty or pride at these wages, not that I think there should be loyalty. I think you should take pride in your job performance but remember it is a business arrangement not a family. Yes there are more US east employees than west and PitBull, I dont understand why you made that statement? West employees are just as vauable . Do you mean because there are more of them that because there was a major financial loss it was more the east side(theres more of your) fault or because the employees that were fired in phl were "east" employees does that make all the east employees responsible for their behavior? I dont think so. Pitbull, I have great respect for you and know that you have earned the respect of so many on this board but as a former HP employee I was a little taken aback. Regards. Also, I hope you are enjoying your new position.

 

[hulagirl]

I get the impression by mostly employees of the West that all should be swept under the carpet and...just move on.

The poster starter is correct. You are as good as your employees, and most of them come from the East (old U). There are 22,000 employees that have lost their jobs. They gave the ultimate sacrifice when THEY voted in the concession to right size the company. Now that the company is growing, the company should be hiring back these employees who still remain furloughed.

How in the heck can CWA allow the company to hire off the street, unless CWA tried to work with management but managment would not budge on paying hourly rates above "new hire" rates, which I've noticed is POVERTY.

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Get over it, PITbull. The new day has dawned, and EVERY employee of EVERY company gives it their all. We are ALL sick of hearing about EAST'S corner in HELL. Get a life already...

 

[PITbull]

AWA is 'doing business as" US, no one has taken any East jobs away. Read the period of seperation part of the TA.

Also the jobs were offered to furloughed FA before any "off the street" hiring happens. So anyone who was furloughed could have worked for AWA. It may not have been what they wanted, but the opportunity was there.

And the EAST people are getting paid a minimum of 3 credit hours per day. Much better than the US pay for training, and much better than the US management got them...furloughed.

Everything isn't going to happen all at once, and everything isn't going to go perfectly.

How do you fix two airlines that would both be gone today if not for the merger?

It is clear that you must not have worked for any other airlines than US. Yes you got screwed by them. I have worked for 7 other airlines, some better than others.

If it wasn't for Doug, we would not be getting 3 new 757s and up to 50 190s, which will, by the way, be jobs for the East.

I really wish you guys would spend your time educationg yourselves.

Hmmm...obviously, in todays industry environment you merge two airlines by clobbering and stripping one of the airlines employees mentally, financially,and emotionally. Throw in a couple of BK and shove the debt to the taxpayers and VIOLA!!!

Doug was able to purchase some new a/c because of investor money...the new U was able to achieve investor money BECAUSE of the concessions made by labor through 2011 including job outsourcing and pension dumping.

I really wish the West would educate themselves on how it happened that U's total one half billion loss for 2005 would permit them to purchase new a/c. Take off the tinted sun glasses.

With regard to West job offers to our furloughees, 3 hours pay equals an average of $18.08 x 3= $54.24 BEFORE taxes. When they are paying for their hotel rooms for 7 weeks plus transportation to and from the training cite and food, and other expenses...THEY ARE IN THE MAJOR NEGATIVE.

Again, please remove the tinted sun glasses. B)

We on the East don't forget history for fear to repeat it.

But hell..."Life is a Bowl of Cherries"!

 

[PITbull]

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Get over it, PITbull. The new day has dawned, and EVERY employee of EVERY company gives it their all. We are ALL sick of hearing about EAST'S corner in HELL. Get a life already...

And one more thing, Hula-la,

It is evident that the furloughees (almost all of them who passed up the West jobs) know that their worth is more than going into training in PHX, only to accrue personal debt that would take them years to get out of, if ever.

Doug will be hiring off the street. That may sound real good to you out there on the West, but back at the OK Corrale on the East, recall is going to happen real fast due to resignations and retirement, AND ALL of the furloughees are senior to 40% of the f/as on the West. The transistion should happen sometime in about 14 months.

Again, I agree, EVERY employee of every company gives it their all, and we are all sick of hearing about seniority issues already.

Let's just ALL just get along!

 

[Snafu]

Back to the "west" doesn't understand or comprehend the sacrifices of the "east." That's not true. The "east" doesn't understand or comprehend the sacrifices of the "west." That's not true either. Both sides have had tough times and made sacrifices and all that. But everyone that is reading and posting on this board is part of it all. And by all, I mean this whirlwind of a career that is called aviation. We've all stayed for our own personal reasons. We've all got to come together as ONE company, whether we like it or not, whether we were asked or not if this is what we wanted (I wasn't, were you?), whether we agree or disagree. We all have TWO choices: leave or stay. If both sides get over their martyr like attitudes, then MAYBE this NEW airline can work. Be a voice - air your complaints but along with those complaints provide a suggestion for a solution. People MIGHT listen more if a suggestion is tacked on to the end of the b*tch session. IMO, the company didn't and really hasn't provided a good direction for unity. It began when they, the company, put the label on US Airways East and US Airways West. The union issues and recalls and the like have to be settled and settled quickly or else the separation and the attitudes and the disdain will continue to fester and be the downfall of us all. I would like to see this airline succeed but without the compassion and understanding from both ALL sides, it's going to be tough. This new airline is made up of a tough, tenacious, hardworking and dedicated group of employees........probably the best in the industry. The rest of the world is ready to watch us fail. Don't give them the satisfaction. FIGHT for what we have all worked so damned hard for and be proud and successful.
Yes, I'm done now. Signing off and wishing each and every employee of the NEW US AIRWAYS the greatest of successes and the sweet taste of victory.

 

[High Hopes for the New 'U']

:huh:

With all due respect, Hula, leave PITbull alone on this one. A stronger advocate for the average worker you'll NEVER meet!

Does she go overboard sometimes? Does her mind work faster than her fingers on the keyboard? YES to both.

When it comes to being a real life Rocky she is it. Through and through. I have tremendous respect for her and if you look back through the threads we have disagreed and had heated and I mean heated debates and there is a mutual respect.

She has earned my respect along with many others on here. She is and always will be a warrior for the comonon man.

:huh: PitBull has also earned my respect, but on this one, I think she may be wrong. I won't be earning the pay rate she is quoting and with 3 of us living together we will have the same living conditions as original training ....except we get to pick our roomies and decide how much we want to spend on eats and drinks, it's a wash(they paid for double lodging in a single room with no eating allowance, so we've all grown a bit and are now more saavy and you have to use your imagination)...and I don't see a FA recall in the East for a year due to the fact that senior folks were able to change their minds about retiring. I applaud Mr. Parker for allowing the furloughees to take part in these classes because he had no LEGAL OBLIGATION TO DO SO WHAT SO EVER. It would have been nice if, as company empoyees, USAirways would have recognized that fact and paid for our accomodations....but....such is life. I for one will be driving out with 2 other friends for training besides myself and we're really excited about becoming full time Arizona residents. USEAST, the old senior union membership of the AFA, and the management that exited long before the merger never did any of us junior FA's 🙄 , East or West any favors. The new people that will be based in PHX or LAS aren't the ones that AWA AFA were ever afraid of in the first place. We were not ever in a position to make changes for the positive. We only look forward to working hand in hand with our new brothers and sisters at AWA and forming a new team that will ultimately place UsAirways in the Numero UNO Position in Every Area.....All of us FA'S at my seniority level loved the gate agents, the ramp people and the special CSR's we worked with. So don't look for trouble from the UsAirways fourloughees headed to PHX. We are all excited about the opportunity. Please all of the folks not affected,don't rain on our parade. : B)

 

[Smartest Loser]

Why wait them out?? Based on your posts, it sounds like you're just gonna complain about the next round of jokers as well.

I guess deep down somewhere, I still have the smallest hope for this place to succeed but...that does nothing to ease my DESTAIN for what has happened to something I helped build.

Let’s put it this way…If you built your house for 24 years and I came over one day and started taking bricks out of the foundation are you gonna just move..??

You say, give Doug Parker a chance….I gave Colony a chance…I gave Salazoni a chance…I gave Wolf a chance…I gave Ganwal a chance... I gave Wolf another chance….I gave Siegel a chance…..I gave Lakefield a chance.

It would only be appropriate I give Parker a chance…I’m not going anywhere.

SL

 

[hula-flyguy]

To those who have moved on....Bravo! and best wishes to you all.

To those who plan to ride it out, and have faith in the company, Kudos!

To those hangers-on, whoa is me, trouble mongers, or as W would say "evil doers"....move on. If you're not happy, just leave. Things are not going to EVER be what they were before. Why stay if you are so unhappy?

The bricks will not be replaced in the foundation...only more taken away. So make a stand, and make a choice. But for Gods sake, stop the whinning and crying.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

I guess deep down somewhere, I still have the smallest hope for this place to succeed but...that does nothing to ease my DESTAIN for what has happened to something I helped build.

Let’s put it this way…If you built your house for 24 years and I came over one day and started taking bricks out of the foundation are you gonna just move..??

You say, give Doug Parker a chance….I gave Colony a chance…I gave Salazoni a chance…I gave Wolf a chance…I gave Ganwal a chance... I gave Wolf another chance….I gave Siegel a chance…..I gave Lakefield a chance.

It would only be appropriate I give Parker a chance…I’m not going anywhere.

SL

SL...that took some guts. Hats off and welcome to the team. Let's not take any more bricks from our house but rather let's start to build the house back...brick by brick.

 

[N924PS]

I guess deep down somewhere, I still have the smallest hope for this place to succeed but...that does nothing to ease my DESTAIN for what has happened to something I helped build.



SL

I think you meant to use the word "DISDAIN".

"DESTAIN" is when you have your teeth whitened.