Possible Restoration of Lost Wages for Flight Attendants
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Maybe because the mechanics have been screwed by the two all those years because we were always the minority? You think that may have anything to do with it?NYer said:
Are you a mechanic?
The twu took an adversarial approach to line mechs, the approach of everything for Tulsa has now bitten the twu in the butt with the only ability to maintain representation for mechs at aa is by the association and giving the appearance of working with the IBT to keep out AMFA.MetalMover said:
Let's pretent the twu didn't conspire with the IBT, that tells me the twu has an image problem with its own members.
Ahhhh. Interesting.....I wonder why NYer and WeAAsles are so pro TWU then? Could it be they are anti mechanic?bigjets said:
If that was the case then how come the TWU International didn't even ask for a release?NYer said:
The fact is when I came on they had already been negotiating for over two years, (when I came into this industry negotiations lasted a few months and the contracts only lasted two years, now they have five year negotiations where they add another 6 years and instead of calling it an eleven year contract sellouts like NYer call it a six year deal) the Union had moved off their table position several times but the company didn't budge. So you're saying just keep moving towards the company and just accept what they are offering? The fact is they were offering a ZERO cost contract after huge concessions were given, in other words they weren't offering anything. On top of that the TWU, under Videtich and Little had already given the company hundreds of millions in productivity gains to the company for free.
So again, your answer is if the company isn't moving just accept what they offer, again, why bother having a Union if you are going to do that?
So what are you saying? What is the Message that you claim I cant handle? Are you saying the message is Unions have no power and should just accept what the company gives us?NYer said:
You keep saying that we should not have voted No to the zero cost contracts that were brought back or even to the concession that were brought back, so what are you saying? There are only two other options. Either not to vote at all or Vote Yes.
The fact is the company never moved off their zero cost contract and the International never moved to bring the process forward and despite your claims what I've said we need to do does work , has worked and continues to work, not every time but it does work at elevating workers living standards more often than rolling over for the company does. It hasn't happened with the TWU at AA because the International controlled the process and they refused to move forward, it hasn't been tried. Over my time here even at AA we have seen the process move forward and as a result those who have shown they are willing to fight have remained at the top of the industry right up till Bankruptcy. The Pilots and the Flight attendants both moved through the process in the 90s, they both kicked the can down the road in the late 2000s because both were still at or near the top.
WN Flight attendants don't earn 30% more than AA flight attendants, WN pilots don't earn 30% more than AA pilots, but WN mechanic do.
No they don't count and here is why.NYer said:
March 9 2009, this was when the TWU and AA just started mediating, the NMB has never released the parties before they even started mediation. The question is why didn't the TWU request mediation in 2008 when after a year of negotiations they got nowhere and the contract became amendable?
April 12, 2010 and March 11 2011, thats when Don told the Mediator that they are officially asking for a release (for internal Political reasons) but they really don't want to be released.
October 7, 2011. The TA was rejected in August of 2010, 14 Months prior, the strike vote had already been taken prior to rejection the International had everything they needed to move the process forward but they refused. Instead the International agreed to put us on ice till December of 2010. After 7 more months of delays the committee voted in July of 2011 to ask for a release, the vote passed. Little and Videtich wouldn't allow it, wanted a revote after he asked his buddy, Union buster from AIRCON who was now in the NMB come and tell us why we should not ask for a release, and there was enough FSCs in the room, and they had flipped Zimmerman so on the revote, the committee then decided not to ask for a release and to continue to delay and occasionally meet with the company. During this period Woodward was removed by his members, Zimmerman was removed by his members, and Gilboy was removed by his members, all the Presidents who were pushing for release we voted back in. If this had occurred a year earlier things may have been different.
By the way, they never asked for release in the 15 months between when the ZERO cost TA was rejected and AA filed for BK. Like I said I know of no other time when in Sect 6 negotiations any Union at an airline waited that long to say they were going to ask to be released.
More spin, you know the process, you know that if you ask to be released before even starting mediation you will not get released, its never happened. Pure posturing.
The question is why did the TWU wait two years before requesting mediation? It made sense for the Pilots and Flight attendants to kick the can down the road because if they followed the process they likely would not make gains if they ended up in a PEB, they were already tops in the industry, including WN after language is factored in. You also know that without even sending an agreement back to the members that its not likely that the TA would release the parties after only spending at best 100 hours in face to face negotiations, especially if they are spread out over two years. You also know that typically when the NMB says that future mediation will probably not produce an agreement and they are breaking off mediation and a TA has been rejected that the criteria that has been applied in the past has been met and thats when the NMB will release the parties to the next step in the process and that is exactly what happened but the TWU instead requested not to be released and to continue meeting one week out of the month with the company until they filed for BK.
No, Southwest mechanics belong to AMFA, not the TWU. You're thinking of the WN flight attendants and non-mechanic ground personnel, which are represented by the TWU.NYer said:
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