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Tuesday, 17 August, 2004, 23:33 GMT 00:33 UK

Crude oil prices set fresh highs

Oil prices touched new highs on Tuesday after economic data indicated that rising have yet to slow economic growth or the demand for energy.

US crude hit a new 21 year high of $46.95 a barrel in New York, ending the day up 70 cents at $46.75.

Brent crude settled 30 cents higher at $42.99 in London.

BBC News - 2004 August 17 - Crude oil prices set fresh highs
 
Explain to me why, the price of oil has been at record highs (for weeks now) and our gas prices locally haven't reached the highs we had early on in the summer? Prices have even dropped in some places.
We're hovering around the $.79/L mark right now. I think Oil was at $38 a barrel when we were up in the low $.90's.
Doesn't make sense does it?
 
MagSeal said:
Explain to me why, the price of oil has been at record highs (for weeks now) and our gas prices locally haven't reached the highs we had early on in the summer? Prices have even dropped in some places.
We're hovering around the $.79/L mark right now. I think Oil was at $38 a barrel when we were up in the low $.90's.
Doesn't make sense does it?

Oil prices are not immediatly reflected in gas prices, it takes a while.

The prices reported by the media are either on the "spot" market or for "future deliveries".
Companies are now buying their stocks a few months ahead. After this acquisition they must wait for its delivery and after that it must be refined and then shipped around for sale.
The price of gas must reflect the price of aquisition (when the oil was purchased) and not the "current" price of oil either on the "spot" market or "future deliveries".

In the months ahead you will see an increase of the gas prices to reflect current acquisition costs

BTW fresh from today.

A broken record: Oil up again

New record tops $48-barrel as violence flares in Iraq, adding to supply concerns.


August 19, 2004: 10:25 AM EDT

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Oil prices blazed above $48 a barrel and set fresh highs Thursday as violence in the Iraqi city of Najaf flared, causing supply shortage worries.

At around 10:20 a.m. ET, light crude for September delivery stood at $48 in electronic trading, just below the intraday record $48.10; crude set a settlement record Wednesday at $47.27. October Brent crude traded at $43.59 in London, up 56 cents.


A broken record: Oil up again :blink:
 
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Oil prices blazed above $48 a barrel and set fresh highs Thursday as violence in the Iraqi city of Najaf flared, causing supply shortage worries.

Go Bush Go!!!

Stir the pot in the middle east a bit more before your immenent retirement from politics draws near. You need to ensure your retirment nest egg isn't a paltry amount.
 
MagSeal said:
Go Bush Go!!!

Stir the pot in the middle east a bit more before your immenent retirement from politics draws near. You need to ensure your retirment nest egg isn't a paltry amount.
There is no bigger blind then the one who do not want to see ...

😉 <_< :huh: 😱 🙄 🙁 :wacko: :angry:


Oil nears key $50-a-barrel mark

Fresh violence in Iraq has seen oil prices surge to new records, nearing $50 a barrel.
New York light crude reached $49.27 a barrel for the first time in European trading, following reports of a new attack on an Iraqi oil pipeline.

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Analysts warn that prices could go much higher still.

"Oil at $70 is entirely conceivable," for example if "there is a big supply problem and Iraq and Venezuelan oil came off the market", said Bruce Evers, an oil expert with Investec.


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BBC News 2004 Aug 20 - Oil nears key $50-a-barrel mark
 
Is that a shot at me? or a shot at bush?

The way I see it, my glass is half full, yours is half empty. My apple tree may have few apples left, but if I look over the fence I'll see that my neighbours still has lots, and if I look harder, the neighbour next to him likley has some too.
 
oh, and please, you don't have to quote me everytime I post something. the statement didn't disappear, it's right above it, anyone can scroll up and see it.
It's like dejavu everytime I post something.
 
If gas is only at .8 Canadian cents per L in Canada right now, why is it a crazy 1.2 EUROS per L in France and I suppose in other parts of Europe while we are still complaining? For those of you wondering, the Canadian dollar is at about 2 thirds a Euro as we speak, which means it costs more than double here.

Public transit won't become more available until we start using it more - catch 22. Or just use it more often! Our cars are too big, what do so many people need an SUV for when a tiny French car can carry just as many people in a quarter the space? 😉 No matter how often I come here I am always shocked to see people fit into them and yet it's possible...

And whoever said we should stop flying because of the fuel spent, I don't know who you are but that's just confusing to me. There is no comparison to cars on a grand scale. How much gas does it take for a car for each passenger to drive to Vancouver to Montreal vs. a big jet that takes them all there together? We should look this up:
Dear Air. (insert name here) how much fuel do you use to get from here to here in so and so plane and how much less carbon dioxide does that release than if all those passengers went by car? My they'd have a PR frenzy for joy.

FYI you can't just keep planting trees to offset our emissions because the trees release it back into the air at some point anyways and we can't even keep up with all the trees we cut down, let alone plant enough fully grown trees to offset those. Click into a search engine to find a site that will calculate how many trees you need to plant for each trip of whatever and you will see that it is just not possible.

Although in all fairness I am a total hypocrite and I go almost everywhere I need to with my little car (too many transfers by transit where they make you pay for parking and then fine you anyway for posting more than one ticket on the dash). grrr).
 
you have valid points, but in todays society, convenience dictates the future. Who has two hours or more to use public transit to get to work, and then 2 hours or more to get back? Who can work so close to their job, their family and their grocery store so that they won't need a car? Who doesn't need the extra space a larger vehicle offers at some point?

Once the total world is decimated of it's oil supply, then change will have to happen. Look at everything that requires oil, and see how many products will suffer. I think it's a long time coming yet. I'll be in the ground so long by then, you can drill me and pump out some oil....

I'm waiting for the first hybrid airplane to come out, maybe battery powered. One that can only carry 7 passengers at a time since the batteries are so heavy. And where will we find all this electricity to charge all these electric vehicles, doesn't alot of it get produced with fossil fuels anyway? And eventually you'll have a small turbine generator attached to your sewer outlet to create a bit of power everytime you flush the toilet to help top charge your cars battery.
 
do you know how many SUV's I could drive on the wasted oil alone???

No weekend road trip this Labour day...sheesh.
 
sweetlilsky Posted: Aug 29 2004, 03:51 PM
Our cars are too big, what do so many people need an SUV for when a tiny French car can carry just as many people in a quarter the space? 😉 No matter how often I come here I am always shocked to see people fit into them and yet it's possible...

The US alone, 5% of the World population, spends (read wastes) 47% of the World's consumption of gasoline.

sweetlilsky Posted: Aug 29 2004, 03:51 PM
And whoever said we should stop flying because of the fuel spent, I don't know who you are but that's just confusing to me. There is no comparison to cars on a grand scale.

In the US, Aviation, (military included), consumes only 7% of the TOTAL AMOUNT of oil spent in that country.
This shows how big the SUV consumption is, the results of poor insulation in homes and buildings, above and below the sunbelt and the huge and pure waste of energy.
 
Been pretty quiet around here for a while!

Yet another of your paranoid, ill informed posts. Lets have a few facts shall we?

Per capita oil consumption

Number 4 in the World is the US @ 67.85 barrels per day per 1000 people.

Number 5 in the World is Canada @ 62.09 barrels per day per 1000 people.


Which of your theories shall we dispel next? :wacko:


How about the price of oil?

Doesn't seem to be going in the right direction either? :blink:
 
N1 said:
Yet another of your paranoid, ill informed posts. Lets have a few facts shall we? :blink:

There is no paranoia anywhere and the link you provided doesn’t prove a thing and all my posts are absolutely correct. Let's see:

I don’t know how those numbers in your link were calculated so I can only comment superficially on them but what I know is that they are absolutely useless.

First what I am interested is what an entire country spends in a year in terms of % of World consumption and how much % of the World population that country represents. It seems the same thing but it isn’t.

On the other end its necessary to know the REALLY consumption of each country, something rather difficult to access and I explain why with a single example:

Europe import “X†number of millions of barrels a day.
A lot of sites and superficial studies use this number as their “consumptionâ€, something that is plain wrong. Europe has a sea of surplus of gasoline because most of their transportation by land and water uses Diesel fuel or heavy oils. All that surplus of gasoline is exported and sold to the US and is used up in their SUV’s.
THIS is one reason why the use of Diesel engines is not being encouraged by the US legislators… it would create an imbalance between consumption and production of refined products. (as you know what comes out of a refined of a barril of oil can't be "adjusted" more then a few %s depending on the quality of the crude)
So, most or the refined products of that crude imported by Europe end up consumed by the US.

Your link shows numbers that are dead wrong and do not reflect WHERE that oil was really spent. There are countries with huge refining facilities that export the refined products. The UAE is one of such cases and just to think that they could come ahead of the US in ANY KIND of consumption (camels excluded) just show the accuracy of those numbers.

GENERAL BACKGROUND
The overall performance of the UAE's economy is heavily dependent on oil exports, which account fornearly 30% of total gross domestic product (GDP). Growth in real GDP was 4.0% in 2003, partially due to higher crude oil prices, and it is projected to reach 4.2% in 2004. The non-oil segment of the UAE's economy and exports is experiencing strong growth, particularly the petrochemicals and financial services sectors.

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Refining
The UAE has two refineries operated by ADNOC. The Ruwais refinery has a capacity of 145,000 bbl/d. It produces light products mainly for export to Japan and elsewhere in Asia. Fuel oil from Ruwais is sold as bunkers by ADNOC and also used for domestic electric power generation. A $480-million contract was awarded to the Italian engineering firm Technip in June 2002 for an expansion of the Ruwais complex to a capacity of 500,000 bbl/d, including refits of existing units and expansion of units for production of unleaded gasoline and low-sulfur fuel oil. Work under this contract is to be completed by 2005. Umm al-Nar, also owned by ADNOC, has a capacity of 88,500 bbl/d. Since its construction in 1976, the Umm al-Nar plant has undergone debottlenecking as well as a recent expansion.

UAE has three other refineries. The Emirates National Oil Company (ENOC) Jebal Ali condensate refinery, with a capacity of 120,000 bbl/d, began operations in Dubai in May 1999. Metro Oil has a 90,000-bbl/d refinery in Fujairah. A 71,250 bbl/d second-hand unit was set up by the Sharjah Oil Refining Company in 2001.

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Foreign Downstream Operations
In October 1998, the International Petroleum Investment Company (IPIC), the UAE’s downstream investment outfit, purchased 50% of the Hyundai Oil Refinery Company of South Korea for $500 million. The UAE is the second-largest crude oil supplier to South Korea after Saudi Arabia. IPIC’s overseas holdings also include a 10% stake in Spain’s CEPSA and a 19.6% share of Austria’s OMV.
Most of the electricity they produce, using natural gas and heavy oils, is also exported to saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman and elswhere.

Consumption 2001
(Millions of barrels per day):
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United States: 19.993 (5% of world pop)
Japan: 5.423
China: 4.854
Germany: 2.814
Russia: 2.531
South Korea: 2.126
Brazil: 2.123
Canada: 2.048
France: 2.040
India: 2.011
Mexico: 1.932
Italy: 1.881
United Kingdom: 1.699
Spain: 1.465
SaudiArabia: 1.415
Iran: 1.109
Indonesia: 1.063
Netherlands: .881
Australia: .879
Taiwan: .846
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World: 75.988
World Annual: 28,460
Source: USA department of Energy

These are numbers from 2001 but the numbers keep growing year after year for the richest countries... If I had time to find the USA Department of energy for 2003 that should be available by now, I will post it. Those are the numbers I use.
You can see that the US with (5% of the World population) spent almost 20 million barrils a day out of a World total of 75.988
So now is easy with some simple aritmetics to see what the "really" numbers for 2001 were. The numbers for gasoline consumption are even worse.
The European Union has 25 countries and only 5 show up in that table...

There is the reality and what the oil companies want you to believe...

See the difference bettween "really consumption" and the number of barrils that a country uses for different purposes including refining for export ?

I stick by the numbers I provided because they reflect really consumption.

About the prices, wait for the upturn. Nobody is making crude anymore. We are just spending what is left from something that took millions of years to create and barely 150 after it was discovered and 100 years after is was used in a larger scale we are already more then half way through it. Wait until people start realising that to see what is going to happen.

I know it is useless to try to persuady anyone to see what they do not want to see. I keep on doing it. One day people will wake up to the nighmare prospect of running out of oil. The best estimates point to reserves up to 2027.
 

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