This one issue politics bologna is doing nothing but dividing everyone and allowing both parties to keep Americans in flux. The pro-life issue is a good example;
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IIRC there is something else in the bill aside from the partial birth thing that is at issue. I do not remember what the issue was. May be I'll look tomorrow when I have more time.
Have you noticed that when it comes to what Washington has to offer us for presidential candidates it always involves a "catch 22" unimaginable compromise on our part.
For example If you believe in self determination,which from my standpoint means an available and viable(top wages) job base. This has for years been a standpoint for labor unions. Traditionally meaning democratic voters. Yet by and large according to the NRA, gun rights advocates are unionists. Find me a democratic presidential candidate that is pro-gun.
To put it another way you can have guns but not jobs if you vote republican. Good luck buying those weapons to protect you from "uncle sam" when you can't feed your family.
Here's another one; vote republican if you want gasoline from the middle-east, or vote democrat if you don't want your kids to go to war. Oil now there's a whole other subject. Right here in the U.S. is enough oil to provide for present useage levels for 190 years. That's not taking into account the possibility that the czars of your freedoms may actually support real world energy solutions starting with the already available increases in average fuel economy standards for our vehicles.
I doubt that would happen though... We're talking about possible increases in our standard of living.
Real world here.
I'm so sick of D.C.'s bate-and-switch system of handing Americans "something" while they're picking our pockets, that I can seriously understand why someone would opt to live in a cardboard box, and not participate in the rat race.
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sadly what happens with these types of procedures is the mental after affect. sometimes people change their views and even their beliefs as they grow into different stages of their lives. what happens to some even 10 and 20 years later is the realization of what they have done and if they knew the guilt they would have felt afterwards would never had the procedure in the first place(and that guilt can be tremendous) unfortunately its seems so many are determined on the right to have it, yet sometimes dismiss what it does to someone emotionally and mentally after..when that person cannot go back and fix it(not everyone will feel that way but a lot will absolutely). I wish there was a way to explain what someone goes through after the procedure as well.. The whole situation is just sad to me..(all of it).
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I agree to an extent. The problem is that no one can agree on a reasonable solution. The right says ‘any’ abortion is OK and the left says ‘none’ with little to no ‘reasonable’ agreement on a solution.
KCFlyer has a scenario that I believe any ‘reasonable’ person would agree with, I certainly do.
My bottom line is that abortion should never be used as a ‘solution’ for an unwanted pregnancy and an afterthought to birth control.
JMHO,
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Most people who support abortion don't "encourage" it's use as a form of birth control. The problem is - the same people who want to ban ALL abortions, including rape or incest, also do NOT want birth control discussed in schools, lest their pure as the driven snow teenagers be tempted into having sex out of wedlock. When they bury their head in the sand in respect to sex education and believe that a "purity pledge" will be unbroken until marriage, then you are going to have pregnancies. And a lot of those pregnant girls are going to end up in an abortion clinic.
I don't support abortion as a form of birth control. But I don't support a ban on abortions either. I don't think it's the governments job to involve themselves in such issues. Certainly there are people who will abuse legal abortions...just as there are people who will abuse a gun and use it to kill another human being. Because some abuse either isn't a good reason to ban it for everybody.
but unfortunately that is exactly how it is viewed by a lot of people(even if not meant intentionally), as an alternate form of birth control. It the pregnancy is not convenient at the time, just have the procedure.
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Then let them get one. Me, you, 700IAM, the Supreme Court or any presidential candidate in any position to judge you. When you face the final judgement, let him decide.
seeing a situation for what it is does not necessarily equal judgement. judging someone on their actions and recognizing how a great number of people may perceive a procedure are two entirely different issues. I do not necessarily support bans, but at the same time would hope that people would be a little more responsible with their bodies especially when potential human life is involved.
That brush you're painting with is so broad I could park my Learjet behind it (if I had a Learjet).
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So it is the 'social system' (schools) that are at fault and the parents have no say or responsibility in what THEY should teach their children? You can't have it both ways KC, if morality is to be dictated in schools then it must be all morality, not only yours.
And that is the crux of the problem. There has to be a common ground obtained by 'reasonable' discussion on all sides of the issue. Unfettered morality simply does not work. Morality is determined by the majority of the people. My morality may be quite different than yours, but is it less or greater? We need controls for the people on both sides of the extremes.
It would be 'nice' to have faith in unfettered morality and not have bans on anything. But I live in the 'real world' and dat chit ain gonna happen!
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