Reaganism

[Ms Tree]

You believe in the tooth fairy?

Nope. I busted mom in the act when I was very young. From then on I just brought her the tooth.

 

[Ms Tree]

But he did double the debt, violated the law and set the stage for OBL among other things.

BTW, the queen did not snub Obama. The band screwed up and thought the pause in the toast was the end and started playing. The queen is a far better person than what you imply.

 

[SparrowHawk]

But he did double the debt, violated the law and set the stage for OBL among other things.

BTW, the queen did not snub Obama. The band screwed up and thought the pause in the toast was the end and started playing. The queen is a far better person than what you imply.

That's not what ABC news or the Washington Post had to say. The Queen snubbed him as only the Royal Family could.

Simple fact is nearly 5 TRILLION in debt can be laid directly at the Empty Suits feet.

Debt incurred during Bush years as reported by the Neo-Fascist Conservative Department of the Treasury.

01/19/2001 = $ 5,727,776,738,304.64
01/20/2010 = $10,626,877,048,913.08
05/30/2011 = $14,345,440,513,979.37

NOTE 1: George W. Bush was in office for 96 months which means his policies added to the debt at an average rate of about $51 Billion per month.

NOTE 2: Obama Lama Debt Dong has been in office 28 months and his monthly contribution to date is $132 Billion. If we extrapolate that for the full 48 months of his term he will have increased the debt to just under 17 Trillion for a total increase of of 6.3 Billion or 1.4 Trillion MORE than the massive debt incurred by Bush over EIGHT Years

NOTE 3: Under the Empty Suit the debt is increasing 2.5 times FASTER than under the evil Halliburton loving George W. Bush.

NOTE 4: At the current rate we will increase the debt by 1.6 Trillion by the end of Fiscal 2011.

NOTE 5: In Bill Clinton's EIGHT years in office the debt increased roughly the same amount that is projected for 2011 under the Empty Suit.

Really sucks when your argument has more holes in it than a Swiss Cheese Factory.

 

[Ms Tree]

And there is never anything from a previous administration that effects the succeeding administration.

 

[SparrowHawk]

And there is never anything from a previous administration that effects the succeeding administration.

Apparently not since Regan inherited a similar mess from Carter and you didn't see him Pi**ing and moaning did you? It's called LEADERSHIP. Reagan had it, Obama can't find his ass with both hands in a phone booth with a flashlight.

Did you hear Ford whining like a little girl after the Nixon debacle?

Did we see "W" crying the blues when a mere 9 months in office he has to lead a nation through 9/11? You can debate his handling of the situation, but did you ever here him personally say "This was really Bill Clinton's Fault", Did you hear him blame the economy on Clinton or the war. NO! He stood there and took the heat.

OTOH hand it's widely predicted that Obama will continue to blame Bush for his failings coupled with an extremely negative campaign in a desperate attempt to get re-elected. He's a whiner with no guts and I wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire.

 

[Ms Tree]

Ah. So if no one speaks of it, then it does not exist?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Ah. So if no one speaks of it, then it does not exist?

Goes to personal Integrity or the lake thereof in the case of the Empty Suit. He's a whining little girl.

Hell an 80+ year old woman embarrassed him in worldwide TV, He's an unmitigated failure by every measurable standard. He makes this Libertarian pine for Clinton, Bill or Hillary. At least those two could govern. Hell, the debt numbers proved it.

I have watched that Video of the Empty Suit over and over and that none to sweet little old lady b*tch slapped him and he was to stupid to even realize it. Her body language spoke volumes.

SNUB #1

From another Op-Ed piece:

The Queen, who knows something about dealing with celebrity, finally got some payback on Obama after a series of very public snubs of the UK- our mightiest, best ally- during Mr. Irrelevant’s term of office.

The Queen voted “not present” by having her band play God Save the Queen over Obama’s toast to her, which the Washington Post reported under the headline Burnt Toast. No one knows how to do an understated snub as well as the Royal Family.

 

[Ms Tree]

I guess it's OK when you accidentally say that the Queen was born in 1776 and everyone laughs then you wink at her. How does walking up behind a head of state and grabbing her shoulders fit in?

Your hypocrisy is showing again. Obama is not better or worse than any of the others who preceded him.

To think that the queen would arrange to play over the POTUS is silly. Regardless of her feelings, I suspect she is a far better person than that.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I guess it's OK when you accidentally say that the Queen was born in 1776 and everyone laughs then you wink at her. How does walking up behind a head of state and grabbing her shoulders fit in?

Your hypocrisy is showing again. Obama is not better or worse than any of the others who preceded him.

To think that the queen would arrange to play over the POTUS is silly. Regardless of her feelings, I suspect she is a far better person than that.

Truth is that neither Bush nor Obama make a pimple on a Presidents Arse. Eisenhower, JFK, Reagan & Bill Clinton were REAL leaders. Clinton got his reputation stained needlessly, but to me as I look back his lapse of judgement overshadowed his accomplishments.

Talk to anyone who has met Reagan or Clinton and they will paint a picture of two incredibly likeable and charismatic leaders. Bush#1 had these qualities but was a one term President so I excluded him out. JFK would have been a two term President save for an assassins bullet so he is included in. The really funny thing to me is that JFK was considered a radical Liberal yet if you look at his record he was every bit as conservative as Reagan. What a difference 50 years make in peoples perceptions.

Obama and Carter are neck and neck as the worst Presidents post WWII. Which kinda sad as I actually liked Jimmy Carter who fortunately for him he has turned out to likely be the Greatest Ex-President of our time. His work for Habitat for Humanity speaks for itself. No need for me to interrupt.

As for Bush#2, I blow hot and cold, NO ONE in our history save FDR with Pearl Harbor has faced what he faced and for that reason I'm reluctant to be to harsh on him. I've seen him on Q & A's for his book tour and he comes across genuine and humble. I recall one of his answers regarding the 9/11 response. It went something like this. I hope I did the right thing, I mean I did what I thought was right based on what we knew at the time. History will judge and we're about 50 years away. I've never seen an ex president more at ease and seemingly comfortable in his own skin.

This current guy shows me none of the qualities of the above mentioned. I don't see it anywhere. To me he's another Chicago political hack who BS'ed his way into the White House. Once he got there it became clear that he's in so far over his head it's harming the Country.

If by some miracle Bachmann gets the nomination, she'll rip him apart in a debate. She one district over from me and she is a force to be reckoned with. You can tell she's gaining momentum because the MSN has begun their assault upon her and she's not wilting yet.

I would LOVE to see a Paul/Bachmann ticket as for the first time in a long time the public would have a real choice. There's no neutrals with Paul & Bachmann

 

[delldude]

Your hypocrisy is showing again. Obama is not better or worse than any of the others who preceded him.

Whats the Greatest Black President since Bill clinton going to run on then? Economy? Jobs? Healthcare? Drilling? Attacking Libyia?

His admin's actions show internal polling says he's in trouble.....

Like wow,man....

 

[Ms Tree]

Reagan was a nice guy but he would not know leadership if it bit him on the butt. Every account I have read about his presidency was that he was detached and unaware. He was an excellent orator for those who were running the show. Very nice, very warm very gentile, but not a leader by any account I have read.

Bush is a joke. He ignored warnings from Clinton but whether or not it would have made a difference is at best unclear. His reaction from the moment he was told what happened was an indication of things to come. He stared two wars and went into both of them with no plan (great leadership there). He all but walked away from Afghan so that he could weasel his way into Iraq. The one nation in the area that was holding Iran back. I wonder if Iran at least sent Bush a thank you note.

It remains to be seen if Obama could lead him self out of a paper bag (I doubt it) but to argue that Others were great/good leaders (especially any of the ones mentioned) is laughable. Being a nice guy does not qualify as leadership.

 

[Ms Tree]

I don't know how I missed your last sentence. I am sure every dem on the planet is joining you in your hope for that ticket. Paul will make the left and center cringe, Bachmann will be the comic relief. I just hope who ever get the republican nomination has not seen the light of day yet. The current like up reminds me of a bunch of monkeys trying to screw a football.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I don't know how I missed your last sentence. I am sure every dem on the planet is joining you in your hope for that ticket. Paul will make the left and center cringe, Bachmann will be the comic relief. I just hope who ever get the republican nomination has not seen the light of day yet. The current like up reminds me of a bunch of monkeys trying to screw a football.

Under estimate her at your peril. I see her in action all the time. Does she say some really silly things at times? Yes she does. But when push comes to shove, she is on the job. Is she Presidential material? I think she might be. Between her and Pawlenty they have turned back the clock on the rampant liberal socialism of Minnesota's past and got the state growing again.

While a Paul/Bachmann ticket seems like a highly beatable ticket, the Empty Suit is vulnerable. It will be pretty hard to find any significant skeletons in either closet, so the Democrat lap dog media will have little to attack. the respective bases of roughly 40% per party will dutifully line up behind their candidate, leaving the decision up to the 20% that is known as the swing vote. These people actually listen and form opinions based on what's on their mind that's important. These folks were the Reagan Revolution and they changed who we were as a nation.

Fact is Ron Paul head to head against the Empty Suit in the debates is a slam dunk for Paul as he will raise issues that the Liberal stooges won't be able to spin and the Empty Suit will be held accountable. Bachmann V Biden I think depends on if Biden can stay awake long enough to answer the questions.

The question becomes "Is 51% of the swing vote ready to tell the Washington elite to pound sand and take an entirely new path to prosperity?" The answer is unknown which is why we have elections.

As to Reagan's Leadership style there are many CEO's who are VERY VERY hands off, preferring to look at the big picture with little focus on the day to day. Ronald Reagan was much like them. He hired good people who shared his vision and he let them do what they do best. I teach Leadership Development as part of my Sales Training role, so I know of what I speak as my income depends upon it. Carter's downfall wasn't his lack of ability it was that he tried to micro manage every aspect of his Presidency, he surrounded himself with good people but kept them on a short leash and that coupled with a faltering economy led to his abject failure, which in a way allowed him to be wildly successful in his role as elder statesman and to effectively lead Habitat for Humanity.

 

[Ms Tree]

Paul/Bachmann.... have at it. Personally I think it is a huge mistake but what ever. We have had idiots in office before and we will have them again.

Reagan was detached, not hands off. I always thought leadership meant taking responsibility for things that happened under your command. Have you ever read the transcript of the Iran/Contra scandal? "I don't recall' was a very common phrase. "It was my fault and my responsibility" was never mentioned once. Then there were the pardons for the criminals that, assuming he was a 'hands off' kind of guy were doing his bidding.

Yea, great leadership.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Paul/Bachmann.... have at it. Personally I think it is a huge mistake but what ever. We have had idiots in office before and we will have them again.

Reagan was detached, not hands off. I always thought leadership meant taking responsibility for things that happened under your command. Have you ever read the transcript of the Iran/Contra scandal? "I don't recall' was a very common phrase. "It was my fault and my responsibility" was never mentioned once. Then there were the pardons for the criminals that, assuming he was a 'hands off' kind of guy were doing his bidding.

Yea, great leadership.

History supports my view. Not yours. His stature continues to grow as arguably one of the greatest Presidents in US History.

Hey FDR had his mistress, Clinton's tom foolery is well documented as is JFK's, Thomas Jefferson was banging the help so we should just throw out the DoI then???

Here's a great big news flash, leaders come in the same flawed wrapper as the rest of us. Thank God they are human. Barack Obama lost whatever shred of trust & credibility he had when in a sparkling display of arrogance he made his famous quote regarding people "Clinging to their guns & religion" comment. That comment meant to me that we were in for a Loooong 4 to 8 years because anyone that arrogant is not qualified to coach a little league team. Almost everything that has happened I had predicted in the run up to the '08 election in conversations with colleagues.

Never in the history of the Democrat Party has their logo been a more accurate portrayal of their Presidential Candidate.

If the ONLY choices open to me as a voter were H Clinton, Harry Reid & Nancy Pelosi OR Barack Obama, I'd figure out a way to vote for Hillary as many times as I could. I've always felt that Bill was the style and Hillary the substance in that couple. The Clinton years proved that you can have a social safety net AND a robust economy while not incurring TRILLIONS of debt. When you look at the debt incurred under the last three regimes, Bill Clinton looks like Ebenezer Scrooge. Clinton & Reagan did more for the average Joe/Jane who draws a paycheck than anyone in the last 40 years using two distinctly different methodologies.

The Steaming Turd of Incompetence we have now has successfully demonstrated that he is devoid of both style and substance. Has no grasp of what it's like to actually work for a living, create a job by starting a business or any real knowledge of fiscal responsibility. In plain Texas talk, He's all hat and no cattle.