Real question- Can WN F/As be professional golfers at the CCY OPEN?

[insp89]

I would suggest that if SWA wasn't so big into fuel hedging, they would have still found other ways to make a profit. That's sort of how their managment works. It also doesn't hurt that they will gladly accept "Walmart shoppers" money and welcome them on board their aircraft. Only pointing that out to the other poster - you "hate" those types, then you are free to encourage them to shop elsewhere. Or....you can hope for a "merger" (that will create more problems) or liquidation.

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I agree with you KC, I do not see any reason to stereotype or hate anyone.

 

[KCFlyer]

If you guys want to discuss WN, find another thread to do it in. Most of us here could give a rat about WN. TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE

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Ahem...you fellow roach, Tom, mentioned WN...does your exhortation apply to him as well? Besides, with responses like the one I responded to, it's easy to see why US doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of surviving if you'd rather not carry "those types" of passengers. Seems to me like US needs all the money it can get.

 

[SWAFA30]

I don't call being unprofessional "free" entertainment.

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I am generally content to lurk over here on the US boards keeping my "mouth" shut since the topics don't generally pertain to me. Since I'm not living in a cave it comes as no surprise to me that SWA has it's share of detractors. Hate the color we paint the planes? No problem. Not "down" with open seating? I can relate. The list of grievances goes on and on and that's fine. That is until the professionalism of my work group is called into question. At that point...I gotta throw a flag on the play.

I will put our Initial and Recurrent training up against that of any carrier legacy, major, minor or otherwise...anytime any place. They don''t fly us to Dallas, teach us a stand up routine and turn us loose. Just like everyone else we spend grueling week after grueling week learning our aircraft inside and out and what to do when it hits the fan. Underneath the corny jokes and shorts and tennis shoes are nearly 8,000 Southwest Flight Attendants who know their stuff and if it comes down to it can and will save your life whether you agree with our demeanor our not...that's what any professional would do.

 

[longing4piedmont]

Ahem...you fellow roach, Tom, mentioned WN...does your exhortation apply to him as well?

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Yes it does. So now go away

I've asked nicely. Every thread on here does not have to be about the IAM or WN. So, one more time let's drop the discussion of WN

 

[fr8tmastr]

nevermind

 

[Light Years]

I am generally content to lurk over here on the US boards keeping my "mouth" shut since the topics don't generally pertain to me.  Since I'm not living in a cave it comes as no surprise to me that SWA has it's share of detractors.  Hate the color we paint the planes?  No problem.  Not "down" with open seating?  I can relate.  The list of grievances goes on and on and that's fine.  That is until the professionalism of my work group is called into question. At that point...I gotta throw a flag on the play.

I will put our Initial and Recurrent training up against that of any carrier legacy, major, minor or otherwise...anytime any place.   They don''t fly us to Dallas, teach us a stand up routine and turn us loose.  Just like everyone else we spend grueling week after grueling week learning our aircraft inside and out and what to do when it hits the fan.  Underneath the corny jokes and shorts and tennis shoes are nearly 8,000 Southwest Flight Attendants who know their stuff and if it comes down to it can and will save your life whether you agree with our demeanor our not...that's what any professional would do.

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One can know what they are doing and be aptly trained, and still act unprofessional. We have them, Southwest has them, everyone has them. As for the demeanor, some people like to see service people act silly and casual, some people don't. Despite what the cult tells you, there are people who don't fly Southwest. There are travelers who would be appalled to have paid for a peaceful, calm flight, only to encounter The Muppet Show with wings. Any WN F/A who passed training is a safety professional and I would trust them with my life... But that doesn't change that the cheerleader duds and cheeseball antics come off as unprofessional. Just as our F/As who have bad attitudes or poor appearance do.

Yeah, learning the 737 was pretty grueling... along with the 14 other aircraft types, involved service, and the whole different ballgame of overwater flying we had/

Cue the diehards now with thier responses no one reads...

I was on a relatively long bus ride the other day, and there was newspapers, trash and gum all over, it smelled like B.O., and I tried my best not to touch anything. I didn't expect a pillow, blanket, meal, or anything because I knew it was public transport. The fare covers the cost to run the bus while keeping it accessible to all. You want to get there in high style, you hire a limo and pay much much more. Or buy yourself a car. Being that my income no longer affords me the luxury of a car, the bus it is, with the expectations in line with the fare I paid.

Isn't air travel kind of like this now? Fares are not high enough to even put the airplanes in the air, pay employees enough to live... they can barely afford enough employees to keep it safe, much less have it operate well. They can't afford fuel. I don't know... it just seems like the public is saying one thing and wanting another. Do you want artificially cheap public transport or no?

And the company... do you want to provide a good product that's competitive or no? Because it's a pretty bad product right now, and alarmingly inconsistent dependent on a/c type, carrier etc. At least we all know what we're getting on the bus.

 

[SWAFA30]

One can know what they are doing and be aptly trained, and still act unprofessional. We have them, Southwest has them, everyone has them.

The original poster did not make that distinction, they made a comment based on generalities, I responded in kind.

As for the demeanor, some people like to see service people act silly and casual, some people don't. Despite what the cult tells you, there are people who don't fly Southwest.

I'll ignore the "cult" result and assume you didn't mean to imply that over the years I haven't noticed that we share out airport space with other carriers and people do in fact fly those other carriers. Of course people fly other carriers than SWA. I never stated or implied otherwise. I believe I even said that I could understand that not everyone necessarily cared for the way Southwest Airlines chooses to run their airline.

There are travelers who would be appalled to have paid for a peaceful, calm flight, only to encounter The Muppet Show with wings.

We both know there is a diffference between singing puppets swinging from the light fixtures and a Flight Attendant cracking a couple of corny jokes or over the public address system. Further for every "appalled" Customer believe it or not there is at least one if not two who finds it charming. Southwest has been in business for nearly 34 years and covered extensively by every facet of the press known to man...not to mention a reality show. Noone, I repeat, noone should be surprised if they find themselves on a Southwest flight with a jocular crew. Appalled is understandable, surprised isn't. What goes on over here is no secret. Further, it is constantly being pointed out that Southwest can and often is beat on price. That being the case, the "appalled" only have themselves to blame. There are simply too many other choices.

Any WN F/A who passed training is a safety professional and I would trust them with my life... But that doesn't change that the cheerleader duds and cheeseball antics come off as unprofessional. Just as our F/As who have bad attitudes or poor appearance do.

Professionalism is how you do your job, not necessarily how you look doing it. If the man in 17A starts having chest pains and the SWA F/A's don't stop the floor show to go assist...then we have crossed the line into unprofessional. I've spent nearly a decade in cheerleader duds and I've never had a problem commanding a Customers attention and respect when necessary. I guess professional comes from how I carry myself as a person, not what I'm wearing. Interesting how many of the USAirways "professionals" are showing up at our recruiting events.

Yeah, learning the 737 was pretty grueling... along with the 14 other aircraft types, involved service, and the whole different ballgame of overwater flying we had/

So is the point that because we are only checked out on one aircraft type, Southwest Flight Attendants are not "real" Flight Attendants? In the time many airlines spend teaching multiple aircraft types, we spend learning one...backwards, forwards, and inside out. We may only know one aircraft but, we know it like the back of our hands.