Ukridge
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I realize that this board has fallen into a rather moribund state of misuse. As of late there seems to have been an exodus to the USAirways forum. Sad, as it was once a great place to read various opinions with some pretty lively debate and for an amateur like myself to learn about the industry.....
If there are any readers left, would it be possible to explain the real importance of CASM? The business press (and yes, the USAirways board) is now full of discussion using what appears to me the sole metric of CASM to measure the progress of United in its restructuring efforts. It appears that every article at some point remarks on the LCC's CASMs of 6-7 cents while those of United are dipping towards 8. Naturally we know the interpretations this spawns.
Is this however, not a completely accurate reflection of costs and particularly of costs and their relation to specific revenue generation? For example. Southwest (an airline I have never flown and probably will never have need to do so) has costs quoted in the 6 cent range. Yet they fly from Texas to Arizona. United alights numerous times a day at Heathrow. I do not think I need to inform most of you how much everything costs in London. All the attendant costs of fuel, landing fees, and the other elements of a trans-Atlantic flight as to which I could only venture a guess, must be significantly more than the Texas-Arizona segment. To me this begs the question. Of course the larger worldwide carriers are going to have greater costs! I can imagine if we were sending passengers into space that the cost of a booster per passenger meter hefted would also be greater than Houston to Dallas.
Therefore my question is simple. Is not the true heart of the matter simply what revenues can be generated with the set of costs incurred? What if (for a wild example) you pay astronomical fees in Tokyo (as BA claims to do) yet you could charge each customer 7,500 pounds or 10,000 dollars? Would the "8 cent" CASM not be irrelevant?
I may be missing something but it seems the revenue is as important if not more so, than a quick glance at the CASM to make the ultimate determination of if a carrier has a solid future.
Cheers
If there are any readers left, would it be possible to explain the real importance of CASM? The business press (and yes, the USAirways board) is now full of discussion using what appears to me the sole metric of CASM to measure the progress of United in its restructuring efforts. It appears that every article at some point remarks on the LCC's CASMs of 6-7 cents while those of United are dipping towards 8. Naturally we know the interpretations this spawns.
Is this however, not a completely accurate reflection of costs and particularly of costs and their relation to specific revenue generation? For example. Southwest (an airline I have never flown and probably will never have need to do so) has costs quoted in the 6 cent range. Yet they fly from Texas to Arizona. United alights numerous times a day at Heathrow. I do not think I need to inform most of you how much everything costs in London. All the attendant costs of fuel, landing fees, and the other elements of a trans-Atlantic flight as to which I could only venture a guess, must be significantly more than the Texas-Arizona segment. To me this begs the question. Of course the larger worldwide carriers are going to have greater costs! I can imagine if we were sending passengers into space that the cost of a booster per passenger meter hefted would also be greater than Houston to Dallas.
Therefore my question is simple. Is not the true heart of the matter simply what revenues can be generated with the set of costs incurred? What if (for a wild example) you pay astronomical fees in Tokyo (as BA claims to do) yet you could charge each customer 7,500 pounds or 10,000 dollars? Would the "8 cent" CASM not be irrelevant?
I may be missing something but it seems the revenue is as important if not more so, than a quick glance at the CASM to make the ultimate determination of if a carrier has a solid future.
Cheers