Sarah Was Right

[delldude]

 
Here’s how we got here. As now infamous MIT economist and Obamacare architect, Jonathan Gruber told us, “The real substance of cost control is all about a single thing: telling patients they can’t have something they want. It’s about telling patients, ‘That surgery doesn’t do any good, so if you want it you have to pay the full cost.’”
 

Gruber is stating here what free market economists have warned us about for centuries: you can only allocate resources (i.e. medicine, a doctor’s time) in one of two ways, put a price on it, or ration it. That’s it, there’s no other way in a world of scarce resources. And with free-market prices we create incentives for competition and real cost control.

Read more at http://deneenborelli.com/2015/01/obamacare-self-destructing/#j9ahmx1VXSOJjSvU.99


 

 
My God, death panels.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Thank the libtard dumbocrats.
 
This has nothing to do with healthcare. This is now and always was about control.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Here we go again. The insurance companies are the death panels.

 

[delldude]

Here we go again. The insurance companies are the death panels.

 
No Dog, wouldn't it be the gov't regulations that the insurance companies are forced to live under?
 
Most don't realize that we didn't pass some type healthcare, we passed gov't regulation of OUR healthcare.
 
So get all friggin' touchy feely.

 

[Dog Wonder]

If the brain dead weren't treated, where would Palin find a doctor?

 

[Ms Tree]

I like how the article tries to differentiate pricing from rationing. Price it high enough and a majority of people cannot afford it - ie rationing.

I have a hard time believing that the US cannot afford to make sure everyone has medical care.

 

[delldude]

I like how the article tries to differentiate pricing from rationing. Price it high enough and a majority of people cannot afford it - ie rationing.

I have a hard time believing that the US cannot afford to make sure everyone has medical care.

 
They haven't yet.

 

[ChockJockey]

The other alternative to pricing and rationing - something that rarely seems to come up in these arguments - is to reduce the demand for healthcare.  I find it ironic that so many of those people who cherish self-empowerment and decision-making where their healthcare is concerned are nonetheless unable or unwilling to actually live healthy lifestyles that would reduce their need for healthcare services in the first place.  That's why I'd always smirk whenever on the news I'd see footage or photos of angry, pudgy-faced Obamacare protesters, who no doubt equate their freedom of choice in health care with the same freedom of conspicuous over-consumption.
 
I had a discussion with a guy a few years back about healthcare reform.  He was very adamant that he didn't need the government butting in to his healthcare decisions and that he was more than capable of insuring and taking care of himself.  Fair enough.  He seemed pretty proud about it which explains why he got upset when I asked if his being 60 lbs overweight and a pack-a-day smoker didn't contradict his entire position.  He didn't see how it could bear any relevance on this issue at all.  My point being that it's hard to believe how anyone who doesn't understand health should be expected to understand healthcare.
 
If more people actually exercised the individual initiative and responsibility they cherished as regards their own health this wouldn't be nearly as big an issue, but instead we have the most overweight and sedentary population in history and a generation of people experiencing costly symptoms of bodily decay years earlier than they should because of their toxic lifestyles.  To me the debate over whether we should have public or private death panels misses the larger point.

 

[delldude]

We need mandatory physical eduction and government food agents to check for in home dietary compliance.
 

 

[signals]

And lets not forget the future of those who CJ mentioned...

The invention of those motorized scooters was the biggest mistake invented and targeted to those who can't move because of their unhealthy lifestyle. Most of their scooters have a SUPER SIZED seat!

And now these idiots use streets with traffic. They don't need health insurance, they need luck or Darwin.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

We need mandatory physical eduction and government food agents to check for in home dietary compliance.
 

Exactly. Control.

 

[ChockJockey]

We need mandatory physical eduction and government food agents to check for in home dietary compliance.

 
Not sure when or where you grew up but when I went to school P.E. was mandatory, as was a course on health and nutrition.
 
I'm not advocating "food agents", nobody seriously is, I simply advocate people taking responsibility for their own health, which increasingly fewer Americans seem willing or capable of doing.
 
It's astonishing the excuses, deflections, and willful ignorance people will employ to protect their destructive indulgent habits.  So what if Johnny Greasyfingers is 120 lbs overweight, hasn't exercised in years and doesn't eat vegetables that aren't deep fried, so what if at age 35 he has bad knees, diabetes and blocked arteries, at least he knows what his freedoms are and he don't need the gubment or granola-eating librulls telling him how to live his life, what few short and painful years he has left of it anyway.

 

[ChockJockey]

And lets not forget the future of those who CJ mentioned...

The invention of those motorized scooters was the biggest mistake invented and targeted to those who can't move because of their unhealthy lifestyle. Most of their scooters have a SUPER SIZED seat!

And now these idiots use streets with traffic. They don't need health insurance, they need luck or Darwin.

 
Yep, the scooters are a good example, all kinds of products now coming to the fore to cater to the very very large; over-sized toilets, over-sized office chairs, slats that go under couch cushions to prevent permanent compression, and of course over-sized coffins.  That's the beauty of the free market though.  Cash in on making people fat, cash in when they want to lose weight, cash in when it makes them sick, and cash in when they kick the bucket.

 

[Ms Tree]

The other alternative to pricing and rationing - something that rarely seems to come up in these arguments - is to reduce the demand for healthcare.  I find it ironic that so many of those people who cherish self-empowerment and decision-making where their healthcare is concerned are nonetheless unable or unwilling to actually live healthy lifestyles that would reduce their need for healthcare services in the first place.  That's why I'd always smirk whenever on the news I'd see footage or photos of angry, pudgy-faced Obamacare protesters, who no doubt equate their freedom of choice in health care with the same freedom of conspicuous over-consumption.
 
I had a discussion with a guy a few years back about healthcare reform.  He was very adamant that he didn't need the government butting in to his healthcare decisions and that he was more than capable of insuring and taking care of himself.  Fair enough.  He seemed pretty proud about it which explains why he got upset when I asked if his being 60 lbs overweight and a pack-a-day smoker didn't contradict his entire position.  He didn't see how it could bear any relevance on this issue at all.  My point being that it's hard to believe how anyone who doesn't understand health should be expected to understand healthcare.
 
If more people actually exercised the individual initiative and responsibility they cherished as regards their own health this wouldn't be nearly as big an issue, but instead we have the most overweight and sedentary population in history and a generation of people experiencing costly symptoms of bodily decay years earlier than they should because of their toxic lifestyles.  To me the debate over whether we should have public or private death panels misses the larger point.

I agree for the most part but there is an economic factor that cannot be denied.  It is more expensive to eat healthy than unhealthy.  Carbs and sucrose is cheaper.

 

[Ms Tree]

 
Not sure when or where you grew up but when I went to school P.E. was mandatory, as was a course on health and nutrition.
 
I'm not advocating "food agents", nobody seriously is, I simply advocate people taking responsibility for their own health, which increasingly fewer Americans seem willing or capable of doing.
 
It's astonishing the excuses, deflections, and willful ignorance people will employ to protect their destructive indulgent habits.  So what if Johnny Greasyfingers is 120 lbs overweight, hasn't exercised in years and doesn't eat vegetables that aren't deep fried, so what if at age 35 he has bad knees, diabetes and blocked arteries, at least he knows what his freedoms are and he don't need the gubment or granola-eating librulls telling him how to live his life, what few short and painful years he has left of it anyway.

School food was never great when I was growing up but it was better than it is now I think.  I always brought lunch from home so it was not much of an issue.
 
When budgets get cut things like PE and meals suffer.  The meals that kids get served these days is disgusting.  I love the idea of mandatory diet requirements for schools.  I think all soda machines should be removed, no fast food business should be on school property.  If the kids want to eat junk food they can do it at home.  Perhaps a health meal; or two during the day will have a positive affect on a few of the kids.
 
We seem to be treating kids as disposable.  Communities do not seem to be willing to make the investment in both time and money to make the schools the best they can be.