Should the IAM Push For Section 6

[Couldbewrong23]

Just seeing what you think.

 

[Mr Eagle]

'Couldbewrong23' date='Dec 11 2007, 07:59 PM' post='551753']
Just seeing what you think.


YES I HAVE BEEN Asking the IAM this Basic Question for Month's. Getting NO Answer.
Mick Walker 🙂

 

[lithuanian]

What! What could you have been wrong about?

 

[The Bagfather]

Yes absolutely both M&R and FS. Section 6 was actually opened for fleet,
but when the IAM came in they effectively squelched any mention of
it. So now they would have to start over which M&R may make them do.
Why should the west interfer with the windfall the east will get in the
event of a possitive outcome to the COC. What I wished would happen
is for the influential people in the west to start taking this seriously.
But the rumor is that Canale has his own TA coming out in Jan. which
will sell out the east by only a fraction less than the last time.
Thanks BF.

 

[700UW]

What makes you think the company will settle the CBAs?

The IBT was in negotiations for several years before the merger, no CBA.

TWU was in negotiations for the ramp before the merger, no CBA.

The company will not settle, so section 6 would be a waste of time.

 

[necigrad]

On the fleet side, Section 6 had only had 2 or 3 meetings, thus nothing substansive. Once the merger was announced, someone (I assume the Company but don't really know) decided to wait as us HP guys might just be on the US contract. Then IAM screwed around with that TA, and I'm still sitting here waiting to be represented.

 

[Tim Nelson]

What makes you think the company will settle the CBAs?

The IBT was in negotiations for several years before the merger, no CBA.

TWU was in negotiations for the ramp before the merger, no CBA.

The company will not settle, so section 6 would be a waste of time.

700, I think it is obvious the company wont' settle for fairness so forget about the company's actions and pleas, that's why you do section 6. The union focuses on its actions and bases everything on its actions in section 6, section 6 start putting on the armor instead of playing 'footsies' and trusting what the company sez about wanting a fair agreement.

regards,

 

[700UW]

I do agree the IAM should be putting pressure on the company, but until the COC is settled I dont see either side really doing anything.

The Section 6 Negotiation process is a joke anyhow.

It can take years before the NMB releases you and then the President can step in and prevent that for another 60 days.

Under the M&R CBA, Time Frames, Section 6.
1989 Amendable date, October of 1992, strike and then a settlement
1995 Amendable date, new CBA obtained End of 1999!

So even if the IAM forces Section 6 for the west, it is a moot point and nothing will be accomplished.

So even if you obtain a CBA under Section 6 for the West, you still have negotiate a single CBA covering the East and the West, IMO it would be a waste of time, money, effort and energy.

The West has lived under a piece of crap CBA THEY ratified, if it was not for the merger they would not be crying about their wages.

But yet I don't see any westies on here trying to help the East get the West Sick Pay, Vacations, Health Insurance Premiums and etc... And you dont see the East complaining about the disparity.

 

[delldude]

Aren't section 6 openers down the road next year anyway for 142?

 

[700UW]

12/31/09 is the amendable date for both groups, so 10/31/09 is when Section 6 Negotiations would start.

 

[necigrad]

So even if you obtain a CBA under Section 6 for the West, you still have negotiate a single CBA covering the East and the West

If the IAM would represent us they could seek a CBA for West whos duration could be for three years at which point we would transition to the East agreement, or sothing else similar in concept. From what I've seen from the IAM so far their incompetance won't get them a TA before then anyway. At least that gets us backpay.

The West has lived under a piece of crap CBA THEY ratified, if it was not for the merger they would not be crying about their wages.[/qoute]

If not for the CBA and the union that EAST ratified we would still be in Section 6. It works both ways which is why I try not to do East vs. West. We on the West are pissed because we've had a contract ammendable since 6/05, and the TWU was actually negotiating it. The IAM isn't. And that's black and white.

 

[700AW]

What makes you think the company will settle the CBAs?

The IBT was in negotiations for several years before the merger, no CBA.

TWU was in negotiations for the ramp before the merger, no CBA.

The company will not settle, so section 6 would be a waste of time.

who said the west has to start over, just pick up were it was left off, we had 18 out of 31 or so t/'d. most of what was left was money items, but that is how it always is in negotiating.
THE COMPANY knew many months before the announcement of the merger what their plans were with the west... do you think the sec6 talks were going to be fair with them knowing what was ahead.
then do i have to mention mr. Glass joining the co.'s team

 

[Q2DETX5]

"So even if the IAM forces Section 6 for the west, it is a moot point and nothing will be accomplished."

--You are probably right, but I think the IAM should push it to the limit. Expose the situation for what it is and how they are. Make things right and don't be out maneuvered. Live up to their compensation package.

"But yet I don't see any westies on here trying to help the East get the West Sick Pay, Vacations, Health Insurance Premiums and etc... And you dont see the East complaining about the disparity."

--You are 100% right here, and don't even go to the unethical distribution of the profit sharing.

 

[700AW]

I was thinking sec 6 for the west now, get the best of both, the most sick time, vakay, holidays, pay, scheduled increases and profit sharing, pension.
in other words get the cba in place now on the west and when it is time for the east to open sec 6, then they can ask for the same. or be rolled into the existing one from the west

 

[freedom]

The West has lived under a piece of crap CBA THEY ratified, if it was not for the merger they would not be crying about their wages.

But yet I don't see any westies on here trying to help the East get the West Sick Pay, Vacations, Health Insurance Premiums and etc... And you dont see the East complaining about the disparity.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :rant: