So the House Votes 'Out of Iraq'

[jerseyfinn]

Personally, I'd rather see our troops used to defend my country and my constitution rather than try to democratize a nation that really isn't all that interested in being democratized.

Get that man a Rolling Rock and some Archie Bunker autographed pictures!

Still, I'm with 12. Evacuate the colon and see if it floats.

Forget the trial lawyer stipulations and manipulations that the dems are throwing at the prez in the guise of legislative solutions. If the war in Iraq is so damned wrong, immoral, and FUBARed, then take a real political stand. Hands up or hands down vote to pull the funding!

You're correct in that it sets in motion a series of equally "grey" events. But either you create a public ground swell of support for the idea or We the People will let you know they don't buy into it. And that's as close to black and white as one can get.

I'm sincerely not sure which way that one would go. But it relieves everyone of the "I voted no before I voted yes" syndrome and it gives the voters crystal clear alternatives even if politicos continue to blow smoke out of their colons.

Clarity is not such a bad thing for this country at the moment as it would be fun to watch the media struggle with that one.

Just got back from the beach to sober up a bit before heading off to dinner and another bottle of wine. It's tough being an ad hoc diplomat over here in Spain. 🙄

KC, stock up the cooler and get set for your own holiday.

Barry

 

[KCFlyer]

Forget the trial lawyer stipulations and manipulations that the dems are throwing at the prez in the guise of legislative solutions. If the war in Iraq is so damned wrong, immoral, and FUBARed, then take a real political stand. Hands up or hands down vote to pull the funding!

Okay, here's a gray on for you. Vote to pull the funding and include in that bill that if passes, we start shipping troops home within minutes of it's passage. Not the next day - MINUTES. There is not an American citizen that would approve of leaving troops hanging out to dry. And again...it's that "fer us or agin us" mentality.

Again - I wouldn't have a problem if Bush decided to actually conduct a war on terror against the terrorists that attacked us. Instead, he "lawyered" and manipulated words "war on terror" to include whoever he deemed "necessary" to fight. As it stands - the group that attacked us is stronger than it has ever been. And Bush thinks were are winning????

 

[delldude]

Again - I wouldn't have a problem if Bush decided to actually conduct a war on terror against the terrorists that attacked us. Instead, he "lawyered" and manipulated words "war on terror" to include whoever he deemed "necessary" to fight. As it stands - the group that attacked us is stronger than it has ever been. And Bush thinks were are winning????

You'll get your chance soon....Hearing reports that we're going to invade that desolate no mans land where OBL is operating sometime soon.Musharraf has problems with those radicals now after giving them sanctuary....done deal 😉

 

[KCFlyer]

You'll get your chance soon....Hearing reports that we're going to invade that desolate no mans land where OBL is operating sometime soon.Musharraf has problems with those radicals now after giving them sanctuary....done deal 😉

Why did we have to go thru Iraq to get there????`

 

[Ch. 12]

Why did we have to go thru Iraq to get there????`

It's the whole "going to Abilene" syndrome. Bushie was bored and not making progress in the hunt for the real terrorists that he decided to head for Abilene (Iraq).

As far as the ultra-conservos here that keep bringing up the "pull the funding" it is humurous. It is a hopeful and desperate plea b/c such a move would create swift-boat-type ads that would be far more ridiculous than the originals and would be the only "platform" left for the repubs. As Garfield and KC have said...everybody wants to support the troops. Pulling the funding to combat idiot Bush would do nothing but harm the troops. What the imbicile needs to do is to listen to the reports, assessments, etc and begin a withdrawl. Funny how he says that he'll use the progress report this fall to decide what to do when he had already said that he would use the study group's assessment nearly a year ago (and then he ignored their assessment). Sounds like he is talking out of his ASSessment as usual.

 

[delldude]

Why did we have to go thru Iraq to get there????`

Apparently the problems in Iraq are coming from there...

 

[KCFlyer]

Apparently the problems in Iraq are coming from there...

They weren't then. And had we stayed after OBL and avoided Iraq altogether, GWB might well have gone down as one of the most respected presidents in history. Instead - he's sealed his own fate.

 

[delldude]

They weren't then. And had we stayed after OBL and avoided Iraq altogether, GWB might well have gone down as one of the most respected presidents in history. Instead - he's sealed his own fate.

You have a point to a degree...but never discount the fact that the earth is a very big place with lots and lots of hiding places and if OBL is still kicking.....he's learned to adapt and live and hide in some of the most unforgiving terrain on the planet.I know we got all this friggin' technology and such and we used to be able to track the little bastard until the liberal news media blabbed it all over the airwaves....in fact they have a very nasty habit of reporting too much in my opinion....way too much in the quest for viewing and ratings.....

I wonder if OBL is actually in our custody....if he was....would revealing that cause him to be a living martyr or encite jihad even more than we have now?

It would be a good thing to keep that quiet,I think.

 

[local 12 proud]

What the imbicile needs to do is to listen to the reports, assessments, etc and begin a withdrawl.

Looks like you your in good company! 😀

Assad said Ahmadinejad's visit came in the context of the continuous developing relations between the two nations whose "farsighted policies" have proven to be correct.

The Syrian leader said they also discussed "ways of restoring dialogue among all Palestinian factions." Syria also backed Iran's right to pursue a nuclear program and the two called for the "departure of all occupation forces" from Iraq - a reference to US troops.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull

 

[KCFlyer]

Ahmadinejad

Wouldn't be an issue if Saddam were still in power. Bad as the guy was, he DID do his job of keeping Iran in line for us.

 

[delldude]

Wouldn't be an issue if Saddam were still in power. Bad as the guy was, he DID do his job of keeping Iran in line for us.

Oh I suppose that was alright...you know ,boiling his countrymen in hot oil,skining them alive...guess thats ok.You must agree then.... :down:

 

[Gilding the Lily]

Oh I suppose that was alright...you know ,boiling his countrymen in hot oil,skining them alive...guess thats ok.You must agree then.... :down:

It is not OK; but if that is the criteria for us going to war, then we should be going to war with about another 50 countries. :down:

There are plenty of other mechanisms that are well-suited for those types of things.

 

[delldude]

It is not OK; but if that is the criteria for us going to war, then we should be going to war with about another 50 countries. :down:

There are plenty of other mechanisms that are well-suited for those types of things.

Helping people I thought was an honorable deed.

I forgot about NIMBY....

 

[KCFlyer]

Helping people I thought was an honorable deed.

I forgot about NIMBY....

Why didn't Bush decide to help them in February 2001? I mean, it was the cool season in the desert (that's why we had to start the war in March....to avoid the heat of the summer)? How come we gave Saddam the gas to use on his people (Rummy even shook his hand on the deal?).

When Clinton went into Bosnia to "help people", not many on the right thought that it was an honorable deed. No, they said it was a "diversion" from the real issue...a white house blow job. Bush even used it in his 2000 campaign...said the military's job was not "nation building". I guess they really aren't trying to BUILD a nation in Iraq...looks like the real purpose of the military is as a caretaker for a country while it's leadership takes it's annual vacation (it gets damn hot in Iraq in August...can you blame them for wanting to get away for a while?).

 

[Ch. 12]

Helping people I thought was an honorable deed.

As Gilding said (and I have about a thousand times)...there were about 50 countries more worthy of our "help" than Iraq. Why didn't we invade any country in central Africa? Cuba? Columbia? Mexico? free Tibet? Indonesia? etc. Iraq was powerless in the global scheme and we knew that. It was only a settled score. If Bushie was really concerned for the welfare of other countries' citizens, we would have 500,000 troops in Africa right now...at least.