Socialism

[Kev3188]

No argument here. The problem is that we as a nation can't get past those broad brush strokes. Until we do, nothing will change, and it'll see be a matter of trying to see who can yell the loudest longest, instead of working together for the common good.

 

[dapoes]

No argument here. The problem is that we as a nation can't get past those broad brush strokes. Until we do, nothing will change, and it'll see be a matter of trying to see who can yell the loudest longest, instead of working together for the common good.

And so how did we get to this point? Or was it always here?

 

[dapoes]

Libtard to Conservative: “Why Do You Have a Right to Your Money?” :blink:

 

[Kev3188]

And so how did we get to this point? Or was it always here?

If I knew the answer, I wouldn't be working for DL...

I think a lot of people have felt "ripped off" by the myth of the American Dream. They realized that their place in the sun wasn't coming. That outrage is fueled by the 24 hour news cycle (on both sides).

I suspect it's always been there (at least it has in my lifetime), but somehow along the way, we as a nation lost our sort of moral imperative to come together when things got bad.

 

[SparrowHawk]

If I knew the answer, I wouldn't be working for DL...

I think a lot of people have felt "ripped off" by the myth of the American Dream. They realized that their place in the sun wasn't coming. That outrage is fueled by the 24 hour news cycle (on both sides).

I suspect it's always been there (at least it has in my lifetime), but somehow along the way, we as a nation lost our sort of moral imperative to come together when things got bad.

Interesting thoughts Kev. While the so called "American Dream" was always a myth it was only uncovered as such when our economy finally ran out of growth to hide the flaws. The formal ending of the dream can be traced to a day in 1976 when the contractor for the construction of The World Trade Center awarded the bid for Structural Steel to a Japanese Company. This event was the beginning of the slow torturous decline of the Manufacturing Industry segment of the US economy. At approximately the same time we began to see the growth of the federal debt to epic proportions. From Ford to Obama it grew and grew as it oft had before only now it grows without the economic Juggernaut of US manufacturing prowess to support the debt through a positive balance of trade.

We ran into additional trouble when at the same time we expanded to social safety net that required government to pay more for people to do less. Never a good idea in a free society, especially one headed for a collision course with economic reality's we face today.

We have met the enemy and he is us.

 

[Kev3188]

Manufacturing is the foundation of any solid economy. As it goes, so do our collective fortunes...

 

[dapoes]

Interesting thoughts Kev. While the so called "American Dream" was always a myth it was only uncovered as such when our economy finally ran out of growth to hide the flaws. The formal ending of the dream can be traced to a day in 1976 when the contractor for the construction of The World Trade Center awarded the bid for Structural Steel to a Japanese Company.

What was it that you considered the American dream then? It was no myth. It was a reality for millions for decades. For the longest time it meant a promise of the possibility of prosperity and success. For a lot of people who came from nothing, migrants etc., expanded their opportunities on a massive scale. People moved, escaped, etc from their own country of birth to come here for opportunities that was never available in their own. Existing citizens who grew up from poor or meager beginnings later in life thrived and flourished as a result of such opportunities. As a young girl who migrated from France I experienced this first hand. My parents had nothing except the will to thrive in a country that gave then more opportunities they could never get in France. And it happen for them as well as a few other family members.

This event was the beginning of the slow torturous decline of the Manufacturing Industry segment of the US economy. At approximately the same time we began to see the growth of the federal debt to epic proportions. From Ford to Obama it grew and grew as it oft had before only now it grows without the economic Juggernaut of US manufacturing prowess to support the debt through a positive balance of trade.

We ran into additional trouble when at the same time we expanded to social safety net that required government to pay more for people to do less. Never a good idea in a free society, especially one headed for a collision course with economic reality's we face today.

We have met the enemy and he is us.

I understand what you are trying to say but it has nothing to do with the american dream. I can see it being hampered by the growth of government tho. Maybe that's what your saying?

 

[dapoes]

If I knew the answer, I wouldn't be working for DL...

I think a lot of people have felt "ripped off" by the myth of the American Dream. They realized that their place in the sun wasn't coming. That outrage is fueled by the 24 hour news cycle (on both sides).

I suspect it's always been there (at least it has in my lifetime), but somehow along the way, we as a nation lost our sort of moral imperative to come together when things got bad.

See my response above to Sparrow. Im not so sure what you are considering the american dream.

The 24 hour news cycle that you are referring to seems to only be an issue since Obama is in office and left is having a fit over the blow-back against the progressive agenda Obama and the dems trying to shove down the throats of the US citizens. Remember for the most part the USA is a conservative country. It is not a progressive liberal country. You have the hard left, the hard right and the majority in the middle that could go either way. The only reason Obama got elected was that the hard left sang a good tune to demoralize the republicans over the 8 years of bush. But now Obama did the very same to his own party in less then two years as indicated by the elections in Nov.

 

[SparrowHawk]

What was it that you considered the American dream then? It was no myth. It was a reality for millions for decades. For the longest time it meant a promise of the possibility of prosperity and success. For a lot of people who came from nothing, migrants etc., expanded their opportunities on a massive scale. People moved, escaped, etc from their own country of birth to come here for opportunities that was never available in their own. Existing citizens who grew up from poor or meager beginnings later in life thrived and flourished as a result of such opportunities. As a young girl who migrated from France I experienced this first hand. My parents had nothing except the will to thrive in a country that gave then more opportunities they could never get in France. And it happen for them as well as a few other family members.



I understand what you are trying to say but it has nothing to do with the american dream. I can see it being hampered by the growth of government tho. Maybe that's what your saying?

It was very much a myth in that no capitalist society has ever been able to sustain the growth. In capitalism you're hired to be fired. The only open question is when. Much of the "American Dream" was given to us by Organized Labor. The allowed the birth of our middle class with your own home on a quarter acre lot with 2.2 kids and a station wagon.

It's gone and until we recover a significant manufacturing base and eliminate printing press money with no intrinsic value it's unlikely to return.

 

[dapoes]

It was very much a myth in that no capitalist society has ever been able to sustain the growth. In capitalism you're hired to be fired. The only open question is when. Much of the "American Dream" was given to us by Organized Labor. The allowed the birth of our middle class with your own home on a quarter acre lot with 2.2 kids and a station wagon.

It's gone and until we recover a significant manufacturing base and eliminate printing press money with no intrinsic value it's unlikely to return.

You are talking about something else altogether. That has nothing to do with the american dream. Ever.

 

[delldude]

If I knew the answer, I wouldn't be working for DL...

I think a lot of people have felt "ripped off" by the myth of the American Dream. They realized that their place in the sun wasn't coming. That outrage is fueled by the 24 hour news cycle (on both sides).

I suspect it's always been there (at least it has in my lifetime), but somehow along the way, we as a nation lost our sort of moral imperative to come together when things got bad.

Outrage fueled by the 24/7 news cycle?
Technology has its down side, or is it?
It would then be better to limit truth to the masses?
Moral imperative......911 fixed that, at least until the threat perception went away.

 

[Kev3188]

If 'truth" was what Fox, MSNBC, and a bazillion talk radio stations were delivering, then you might have a point. In the quest for ratings-and to fill airtime- stations/channels have resorted to entertainment, rather than actual in-depth news coverage.

I suppose if anything, 9/11 should have been the spark to get us back on track. Instead, it seems like it divided us more than ever. The concept of patriotism was perverted to further some on the extreme right's agenda, and the "you're either with us or against us" mindset was something we were convinced to use on each other...

 

[delldude]

Usually after incidents such as 911 knee jerk Democracy pops up its ugly head. Ask Any Japanese intern from WW2. And both sides of the aisle come under its spell.

I believe one of our past Presidents bounced muslims out of the country....maybe not a bad idea at times.

The worry is some incident where some idiot Prez suspends the Constitution. Then all bets are off.

Never happen?? There already is a plan.

News anymore leaves one scratching their heads....If viewer rating are the yardstick, Fox News blows them away. Sometime you have to question them too. MSNBC...I have no idea how they stay on the air. Really.

 

[tech2101]

The worry is some incident where some idiot Prez suspends the Constitution. Then all bets are off.

Never happen?? There already is a plan.

Cue the article from WND now... :wacko:

 

[delldude]

Cue the article from WND now... :wacko: