Some Of You Still Don't Get It

[RowUnderDCA]

Speaking of HI, I got a snail mail promotion from U, showing the merged system and it showed inter-island service. Was that part of the plan?

Not that I care, since I'm dumping U over the screw job penalities on my last fare purchase.

 

[US1YFARE]

Is HA connected with another airline partner in a codeshar type deal?

you mean other than America West?

it's just an interesting thought because US wouldn't lose the name or the heritage circle or the newly painted planes--no real overlap in route structure--similar a/c configuration

 

[BoeingBoy]

Speaking of HI, I got a snail mail promotion from U, showing the merged system and it showed inter-island service. Was that part of the plan?

Not that I remember, but there's the HI codeshare plus Mesa seems to be going ahead with plans to start an inter-island division using RJ's.

Jim

 

[US1YFARE]

Not that I remember, but there's the HI codeshare plus Mesa seems to be going ahead with plans to start an inter-island division using RJ's.

Jim

which also makes an HA merger interesting because of US and HP connection to Mesa. HA would give up interisland to express division and some of the widebodies from HA could be used in Europe to open more cities there.

 

[calibrator]

Not a lot of system overlap, great feed, same low fare mentality.....can't see why it wouldn't work....besides fleet commonailty issues.

Just ignore the fact that a BIG portion of people who are this so-called new airline...abused tramped on older employees who are set in their ways, permanently. Mixing the happy songs with the co-dependents isn't very smart. An airline is people not routes or location of it’s headquarters. Look how much trouble mixing what U was after each merger, it's was culture shock and this is that and much more, east/west, malcontent/happy song, believes/nonbelievers. Conquer all this while fighting the competition. Good Luck Doug, you will need a true miracle to pull this nightmare of a mix out of rotation and into the wild blue yonder. Keep smiling and pretending everything’s peaches and cream as you tap your heels together with your eyes closed.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Not a lot of system overlap, great feed, same low fare mentality.....can't see why it wouldn't work....besides fleet commonailty issues.

The system overlap and feed wil come with West starting Hawaiian service, except for the inter-island flying and the code-share will still provide that.

HI may have a "low fare mentality", but they're not low cost. In 2Q05 they had higher CASM than US/East mainline (they're only "mainline"), so they're definitely not low cost.

All their widebodies (767-300's) are leased and half may be gone by 2009. If the purpose is to acquire more widebodies, why not just lease some ourselves. That'd keep the feed through the code-share (assuming that continues as we add Hawaiian service) and avoid more integration and cost reduction issues.

Jim

 

[hulagirl]

The system overlap and feed wil come with West starting Hawaiian service, except for the inter-island flying and the code-share will still provide that.

HI may have a "low fare mentality", but they're not low cost. In 2Q05 they had higher CASM than US/East mainline (they're only "mainline"), so they're definitely not low cost.

All their widebodies (767-300's) are leased and half may be gone by 2009. If the purpose is to acquire more widebodies, why not just lease some ourselves. That'd keep the feed through the code-share (assuming that continues as we add Hawaiian service) and avoid more integration and cost reduction issues.

Jim

Hawaiian does not have a "low fare mentality" , they recently emerged from bankruptcy, and it would have made more sense to have invested in Aloha. However, they recently got the investors they were looking for, and it isn't US.
Personally, I think you are all barking up the wrong tree....it isnt Hawaiian. I'll guarantee it...

 

[v-speed]

I use the word "some" because there are those who are aware of the situation and those who only want to put the new airline away. Obviously, the folks with the scratch have spoken. Like it or not, the new U WILL survive. It's also true that this airline has another transaction ahead of it. Whan all is said and done, the largest LCC in the free world will be a template for the future. It's got a long way to go, but look how far we've come.

The new U??.....USAir has tried to be new every few years and all it has to show for it is that lame "circle of death" sticker on the sides of our a/c. I understand the usair name was kept because of recognition, but it is not a respected name. LLC please....the public should pay what it costs to fly, not $29 roundtrip to europe, and not at the expense of the employees.

 

[luvthe9]

One more merger. I bet doug is shopping as we speak. My bet is UAL or Alaska. Maybe NW but I think if Delta wants to survive they should hook up with NW. I'm sure some at UAL are rolling there eyes at a merger with U but its gonna be U or Continental so take your pick.(if it makes you feel any better i'm sure they will call it United).

I do believe there will be another merger real soon ( 6 months) thats the word in Tempe, I think Alaska would be useless for us. I hear UAL or NWA

 

[sharkstooth]

Pretty much right on, SWS. Actually based on available seat miles, though several other measuring sticks yield the same result. WN enplanes the most domestic passengers, quite possibly has the most domestic ASM's, etc, but the lack of an international operation hurts when you look at total, not just domestic.

Jim

Actually, Jim, SWA did a combined deal with ATA, which is international in scope.

To think otherwise is to emulate the ostrich.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Actually, Jim, SWA did a combined deal with ATA, which is international in scope.

To think otherwise is to emulate the ostrich.

Yes they did, which means they carry some passengers that traveled internationally - just not on WN. Perhaps if you'd noticed the context of my remark about WN paying the price for not having international operations, you wouldn't have misinterpreted it.

The question was raised about LCC's size ranking among U.S. carriers, and the number of aircraft in WN's fleet was mentioned. Someone else mentioned that the ranking was by passengers, not aircraft. I was expanding on that and mentioned that WN's lack of an international operation hurt their ranking by most measures. Those rankings are based on the passengers enplaned, ASM's, or RPM's produced by the individual airline and do not include code-share passengers on the other airline's planes or the ASM's produced by the other airline carrying those passengers.

While WN has ranked at the top of the list for U.S. carriers as measured by domestic enplanements for most of the last year or so, they are down the list using system measurements because they lack an international operation of their own. I definitely did not mean that WN doesn't carry passengers going to international destinations or coming from international originations, since they obviously do (and undoubtedly not just through the ATA code share). I only meant that those passengers don't count toward measurements of WN's size until they're on WN's aircraft - just like passengers traveling on a flight from LA to Hong Kong don't count for LCC even though they're on a code-share "LCC" flight.

Jim

 

[phasersonstun2]

There is another deal coming next year... it will be a HUGE announcement.

* The US Airways name will not survive.

* The headquarters will be in Tempe.

* The planes will be painted in the new paint scheme.

* Employees will total well over 100,000.

* The heritage logo will become more oval-shaped.

It's inevitable. The industry shakedown has begun.

 

[barbeetantrums]

There is another deal coming next year... it will be a HUGE announcement.

* The US Airways name will not survive.

* The headquarters will be in Tempe.

* The planes will be painted in the new paint scheme.

* Employees will total well over 100,000.

* The heritage logo will become more oval-shaped.

It's inevitable. The industry shakedown has begun.

So the US Airways name will not survive but the planes will be painted in the new paint scheme? Sounds like you've really thought this one out.

 

[700UW]

320 with a new screen name?

 

[NeedForSpeed]

There is another deal coming next year... it will be a HUGE announcement.

* The US Airways name will not survive.


* The heritage logo will become more oval-shaped

Tell me it isn't true!!!!!! FORD is getting into the airline business????
😱 😱